Monday, September 19, 2011

The Landfill of Disinfo, Piled Higher and Deeper.

I knew that WRH thing was going to backfire on me (grin) and I’m glad it did and soon. Many thanks to Ethan Allan and the Green Mountain Boys; I’m going to leave this end of it to others for the foreseeable future and that way what needs to go up will and my nose can stay cold and wet.

Dog Poet Transmitting.......

I’ve been asked by several people to comment on this bit of business here. I read about a third of the way down the scroll arrow on the right side of my page and that was a considerable distance. The sound of a deep and powerful voice began to resonate in the deeper regions of my mind. It sounded like what I imagine Roland’s horn sounded like and it was saying, “Bullshit”. I get really antsy at the superficial glossing over definite proof and when you read it yourself, I think you will find this not unlike a Jennifer Aniston interview in Cosmos by comparison, on several levels. It’s sort of a ‘he said, she said’ not very much.

It might carry a little more weight; not much again, concerning Israel’s much smaller role than it actually is, if it weren’t for all of the history prior to the establishment of the state and the forebears are hardly mentioned when it comes to Soviet Russia. There’s no proof at all concerning underground bases being bombed and there’s so much that’s fantastic otherwise, with not a shred of corroboration in most cases. I began to feel I was reading a Sorcha Faal interview, which, for those of you who don’t yet know, is a play on words for ‘such a fool’.

My initial take and, I could be wrong and am willing to be proved wrong, is that this whole business is full of shit. It’s not like there was just some small amount of it either. It was a real PHD of a thing. (P)iled (H)igher and (D)eeper. It’s all interspersed with events and history that we take for granted as so and which are used as some sort of comparative proof to legitimize the rest of it but that doesn’t wash and now there are all these dirty clothes hanging on the washline and the kids are going to get laughed at by their mates when they show up at class. That’s how it looks to me.

I’d like to see those underground bases get blown up as much as the next guy, if indeed they do exist as stated and I don’t know either way. I don’t doubt their existence and I’ve said the same thing concerning population reduction. What troubles me is the cavalier glossing over what should be grounded with greater evidence and it happens over and over all through the interview.

There is no force, besides the general and genetic ruthlessness of the Israelis, when it comes to the decades old genocidal behavior of the Khazars and Ashkenazis in respect of their treatment of The Palestinians. Some mysterious cabal does not appear to be behind the killings on the flotilla. The plethora of dual national Israeli names involved in 9/11, the ownership of the media and many, many other things I could point out over centuries and in recent times, does not leave me with the impression that these people are simply dupes being used at all times and in all places. I know it’s anti-Semitic but that’s how it comes out to me.

I haven’t given Benjamin Fulford or David Wilcox much thought at any point in time and that’s because the former always has things to say that are being said by him alone and no one else is saying or defining any of it in similar fashion that I trust. I’m guessing Fulford works for someone and the chances are that his pay stubs reflect the same paymaster as Sorcha Faal. This kind of thing has CIA written all over it. I could be wrong and I am glad to be wrong and glad to admit to it as soon as it becomes clear that I am but until then, this is how it looks to me and not under any veil of hazy uncertainty.

It isn’t just the unverified number of claims that pepper the interview, except for the enormity of them. It’s the casual driving at a hundred miles an hour past them all and tossing them out of the window like McDonald’s drink containers, which I don’t approve of anyway and the highway shoulder are not made more beautiful as a result of this.

My initial take- and it’s strong enough for me to be writing about it- is that this is one of those agency operations that are going on all over the place and which are designed to discredit the truth movement. Maybe there was something that would have changed my mind in the next two thirds of the scroll distance and maybe the interview ended only halfway down the page and the next article then started. I couldn’t be bothered to look because by that time I was getting aroused and annoyed about the whole thing and preferred to move on to something else, anything else, except maybe a Jennifer Aniston interview or any film with Natalie Portman in it except for The Professional. I’m not much for bad actors or bad actresses and I do know the difference, even if you disagree with me.

For awhile now, I’ve been influenced, like all of us, by wild claims and predictions that don’t come to pass. I’ve had my fill of woo woo and various sturm und drang. I’ve told my mind to shut up about this shit and just take each day as it comes and trust in the interpenetrating consciousness on all accounts. I’ve been precipitate and wrong on occasion, simply by taking things at face value because they seemed likely but proved not to have been real.

I’m sticking with ‘follow the money’ and ‘cui bono’, as opposed to follow the cowpies and Cher Bono, otherwise you wind up having to clean your shoes and things like Chastity Bono. I remember being temporarily taken in by Bush the serial killer at Matamoros. I remember thinking how Iran was going to get attacked at any moment and never did, not to say it won’t happen soon. All the rest of the Zio-Ogre proxy wars have so far.

In any case, the bulk of what I read concerning this interview has the aroma of a dead skunk in the middle of the road. Like I said, I could be wrong. I don’t know if I hope I am. That’s something I don’t know. What I don’t know is piled higher and deeper too.

So, we shall see what your take is and we are certainly open to deeper information of a more verifiable kind. I know there are readers out there who are better informed than I am. This will probably be unimportant given what is likely to occur over the next six weeks. I do get the very strong conviction that the next six weeks are going to be among the most tumultuous that we have seen so far and a fitting preface for what will follow in the aftermath.

My feeling is that those who too readily accept this sort of Tiger Beat journalism are going to wake up one morning and find out they are in bed with Chastity Bono. That might be okay for some but it would scare the living shit out of me. I suspect you’ll also have to sit through the tractor driving scene in that agonizingly bad David Lynch film, “The Straight Story”, or be forced to watch Black Swan over and over. There is truly no accounting for taste.

Some people prefer style over substance and form over function. I like it when the two work together to a mutually beneficial end. I’m one of those people who would have MOMA burned to the ground and most modern artists of the last hundred years confined in reeducation camps (just kidding, I think). The same goes for modern poets and most of the successful musical performers of recent years; when you’ve got nothing to say, make sure it’s heavy on the tits and ass.

I think that’s enough for a Monday morning. I need another cup of tea and an American Spirit rollup, as well as a shower after the way the morning has gone so far. I’ll see you tomorrow when I might actually have something useful to say.

End Transmission.......

Last night’s radio show is now available for download.


Anonymous said...

Remember a few years ago when Fulford burst onto the alt internet scene with his pronouncements that the elites had been given two week notice to change their wicked ways before his Asian gansta friends would begin to whack them in their beds? How did that work out? They all still look pretty prosperous and healthy to me.

Then there was that ridiculous interview that David Rockefeller gave him, whereing he lobbed softball questions to Rockybux. No mention of the Yakuza hit men there.

Fulford seems to be a Rockefeller asset. Wilcock is just another internet disinfo huckster. Your analogies to Scorcha Fail are valid.

Anonymous said...

I agree that Ben Fulford is not legit. I sent a few of his videos a few years ago to some of my highly intuitive friends, and they also agreed he's full of crap. He gave the tidbit of something big coming down the pike in Sept. of 2008, which it did. But after that, nothing he said was of much value for truth. Bits and pieces are thrown out to keep us hungry, but most of us have gotten sick from food poisoning.

I don't think David Wilcock is legit either. Maybe started out that way, but somewhere along the way, he lost his soul, or gave it away for youtube stardom.

Leaving on the equinox to drive along the new madrid fault line from Lake Michigan all the way to Texas. I wonder about the timing of my life's events sometimes.

Here's to you, Les. And to everyone who reads and posts here. May we all sink deep within to ourselves and know the truth of the Divine, and the truth as it plays out.

Peace and Love

wv: gunked. Yup, lots of gunked up truthers out there

Anonymous said...

Wow Visibles.... my sympathies for gaining the hangers on who now look to you as the great poohba. Crucifixion might be forthcoming, but maybe you can run like hell and get away. Then again, it might be a good thing in the end.

I've always felt sorry for the deal that Cheezits got... you know... with everyone still bothering him for all those favors... and all that dastardly stuff done in his name to please him.

Got to be the worse article I ever read from you, but maybe I am missing something. Hang in there fella. You know how it is... you've set a high standard in the past (many thanks) that you now got to live up to. (c;


Unknown said...

If I see the Fulford, Faal/Booth, Caspar, Poof, whatever names, I do NOT click the link. They are about as credible as Obama in tellin' the truth. Never heard of Wilcox, from what I recall. If I did, he didn't stick.

As for how badly genocidal the Hebrews, Khazars, Ashkenazi are, I think Rome gave 'em a run for their money. I mean look at what they did to the Cathars, though there actually is a Neo-Cathar movement that nobody seems to know about:

Personally I think the world would be a better place if it really caught on big time, but that's just another dream.

(You'll have to excuse me, but I have major issues with Rome and the church. They destroyed my country, and it's never recovered. At least the people are gettin' uppity now, and it would be so sweet if they finally did kick the accursed church out. May the zinger of rats be reborn a Dalit chick who gives birth to 19 girls before she's 27.)

That thing about the underground bases bein' blown up is all over the political forums. What ever!

I also feel what you feel about the next 6 weeks. Now what I'm wonderin' is if you think there's somethin' to someone you haven't mentioned on this forum? Carl Calleman. After all, he could be wrong. Then again, he could be right.

We shall see. The time draws near. 39 days to go.

Visible said...

Well Po tai, we generally like explanations to accompany such comments but maybe it's having to say that you agree with Fulford that arrested that? A little clarity would go a long way right now because at this point I can't tell if you're a Fulford fan, a David Lynch fan or a Natalie Portman fan (grin).

DaveS said...

About those 'underground cities' and the 'explosions' I just have to laugh. Not that I don't believe there are underground cities (there's a big one in the mountains outside Colorado Springs), but that some idiot would use nukes on two of them seems more far-fetched than even my whacked-out mind could imagine.

War is a terror game... you terrorize the civilian populations of your enemies until they force their leadership to submit. I ask, what benefit does a 'secret' bomb blast have? None, I tell you.

And the earthquakes continue to happen near Trinidad, so what do the bozos think is the cause of these shakes?

I feel it's easier for some folks to think man has a hand in every event than to think life is random and sometimes bad shit happens to good people for no reason a human can comprehend.

The folks who believe in crap are also willing to believe the government used secret alien technology to destroy the Twin Towers... laser beams from space and other nonsense. I'm pretty certain if anyone had the tech to blow buildings to smithereens with alien magic, we'd already know about it. Just a thought.

Disinfo is easy because most of us who are looking into government black ops, and like reading about conspiracies, are the folks who have enough imagination to see our leaders as corrupt. And because of this, we are also the ones who have enough imagination to think these humans are corrupted and controlled by all sorts of weird, dark beings – all because we (as humans) don't want to think any fellow human can be so scummy.

It's all psychology, and it works well for the TPTB who have been intensely studying our minds for decades and know how to screw with us on the most basic level.

You can believe whatever you want, and if you believe strongly enough, for you at least, such a belief will be true. Ask a mental patient who thinks he/she is a bug (or something else) and you'll find a person who is creating that illusion (at least for them).

We all live in our mind, as it is our mind that creates everything around us. Or at least creates our impressions of the world we interact with. This is why the folks 'in charge' work so hard to keep our minds occupied creating false realities; television, or blogs like David Wilcock... with a name like that you gotta guess he will cock something, but that something won't be my mind.

Occam's razor ('s_razor ) is helpful to understand before some freak starts in on grays and alien technology when discussing something as terrestrial as 9/11. I guess one could see the grays as being behind that as long as the grays being referred to are psychopathic businessmen wearing gray suits.

A long winded DaveS

Dave Klausler said...

Good Morning,

I have read Mr. Wilcock's information; I have read Mr. Fulford's commentary.

It is my opinion that what Mr. Fulford says, or doesn't say, doesn't matter. I read it as one more bit of strangeness of this world, that might be of value to know of.

Mr. Wilcock's underlying science is solid - in my opinion. His marketing, and moneymaking are laughable; I too agree with whomever said that he has gone a bit astray - at least as far as the sage status goes.

That is all,

Dave Klausler

Freddamedgjedda said...

Rattling the cage! I have learned from the best,IMHO. My own feelings on Fulford is that he likes his cocaine and the "fame". If you know something about drugs and watch his interviews... And I may be totally wrong. I have known about this guy for some years now after he announced his(or theirs) ultimatum.

I don't know to much about Wilcock except thru Project Camelot several years ago. PC is heavy on dis-info, that is obvious, but it is some truth in all, so I have seen many hours of their interviews. I used to be all over the internet, but in the last year or two, I have narrowed it down to The Truthseeker and Visibles blogs, because none of you have ever made my tummy turn and my bullshit-bells to go off. And I deeply trust my intuition, but this article was abit over the top for me to not read. And I must admit that I would very much like it to be true. At least the bit about the minions turning on TPTW. But I am also confident the divine exist and we will soon see massive change on all levels of this reality anyway, and I believe love to be the underlying animating force of this dualistic world.

Mouser said...

Watch and see mode.

The linked article was 'over the top' in unbelievability if even only 10% were 'true'.

Powder dry.

Thank you for what you do Visible.


kikz said...

mornin les,

as far as the existence of bases... think NORAD/Cheyenne Mt., in CO, and Mt. Weather (EOC 'emer. ops cntr' /FEMA) in VA. Raven Rock in PA.
i personally know someone who's been in both Cheyenne/Weather.. works for emer. mgmt for NC.

also, i've heard of another decommissioned, Greenbriar in VA.

there's probably a facility under Camp David as well.

it's also been rumored in the past few yrs that cheney built his own under his current residence... so there's that..

here's a wiki

as far as the rest of the article.. i can only hope there is some type of whitehat pushback against the neocons. i'm prayin it's not fundi xtians who are seemingly hav control of the AF. or, i as well as a few others could still end up burned at the stake.

somewhere somehow... there has to be some sane contingent that will not stand down against the neocons and their crap. there's just gotta be...

duff swears that the only non-compromised corp are w/in the marines. i'm prayin he's wrong, or just crazy. then what? if there were a mil coup, would they give it bak to civ control?

as you say.. too many tack outs of the BS meter to give much serious consideration... i dunno. to borrow your phrase.. too much woo woo.

Anonymous said...

Speaking of Sorcha Faal, there is a claim that Sept 27, Obama will be underground in the bunker under the Denver airport conducting a "cocked pistol" exercise.

This date supposedly coincides with some lineup of planets, Sun and elenin.

And there are guesses that this could lead to more than some "exercise".

My question: how could one find out IF Obama actually has plans to be in Denver on that day?

I suppose this could be one of those issues that nut-cuts Faal and any elenin destruction.

Richard said...

Just take your daily dose of internet Valium, anaesthetize your spontaneous fury, the White Hats, The White Dragons, Good Aliens, they will take care of you. Big Poppa in the Sky will make it alright, go back to sleep, here is our latest lullaby.
No need for a basic effort at self awareness , less an action based upon self-respnsability or some other criteria. Go back to sleep, The White Whatever is coming to make it alright.
Any time real soon, practice faith, patience, and above all SHUT THE FUCK UP. Sorry, go back to sleep, the gov't is going to take care of you, so you can go back to reading about Beckham, Lohan, gaga, Fulford,Wilcock,enjoy your video games and Pop-tarts.
Yes, all the slime balls. who for generations have been slime balls, will by an act of Divine Intervention, and no effort of their own, become wonderful Roses, and no thorns at all, mind you.
Karma , Dharma, Right Living are inventions of that Indian masochist, there there, go back to sleep.
It is Monday, more Valium coming in from Japan.
Enjoy your rollup.
May the Rose Garden of Your Heart always be in Bloom, fed by the morning Dew.

Visible said...

Then there is the mention of Elenin breaking up and falling apart the other day and no longer a factor, gone. I can't remember where I saw it. I know I mentioned it recently, as far as I can remember it was from some astronomers who were tracking it. Someone can certainly find this, probably even me.

Visible said...

Here you go, you can read whatever pleases you.

Visible said...

Oh yeah, when did I get to be The Grand Poobah? According to my calculations, I am the cat's meow in the magic forest of Tao, or the bending curve of an endless behind in the polka dot sunshine of my mind, of course, the person who said that was drunk at the time and that might have been me too.

Anonymous said...

via Homer..

Shades of the late great (very entertaining) Joe Vialls.

If only..

siamsam said...

I have seen a few Interviews with this guy Fulford and my instinct from day one said bullshit - and is this the best they can do. I mean FFS he is a bad double glazing salesman at best.

Like you Vis, I got so far down the page and pulled the plug.

But here is an interesting thing. He did an interview with the one and only David Rockaffela some time ago. So how did he pull that off. My intuitive guess is that his paymaster thought it would give him some credibility. Well maybe it does but only in the land of the blind.

Funny how he gets some big parts on some big players sites. Makes them very suspect to boot!

kikz said...

@ A_Theo

we are in agreement on the church.. bu,t i make no apologies for my stance. too much blood lust against too many...continuing to the present.

sorry, i didn't much care for your link, although much can be learned about something thru its detractors.

more reading on the cathar if you're interested. :)

Visible said...

I agree that historically all of the organized churches have a lot to answer for and for a long time the Catholic Church was at the top of my list of bad guys but as time has passed I am more concerned with the presently active and most pernicious. I don't want to weigh bad guys on a scale. I just have my focus on what's at the top of the shit shake in recent times for maximum injury with minimum players, or something like that.

Andjres said...

Have a very close friend, never known to be untrue with me, who was in the underground base at Denver when he was still a child. His father was sworn not to tell on his friends but my friend wasn't.

Not sure about the one up North though. Why would anyone want to live in a hole under Wash. D.C.? All of that moldy smell down there ... yehhhhkkk.

Matthew said...

All good dis-info should have a bit of the real deal. The thing about the Virginia Earthquake that keeps coming up and should be verifiable is that the seismograph readings for it don't have the profile of a natural quake, no lead-in p-waves just bang! here's a link discussing As I say must be vefialble, or is everything bullshit? Could be, I'm not sure not all figments of my imagination. The leap is from no p-waves straight to nuke so maybe thats the slight of hand. Towards the end of the interview Willcock unashamedly inserts a plug for his new book and how the white hats are all buying them and sending them to senators etc to show them how it is, for them to sign them as a contractual agreement and that half are getting returned unsigned. He also 'knew' his book was gonna be important to this whole process but is amazed at how quick its been seized upon. What bugs me most about Fulfords message is how they want a non-chaotic transition and so all the bad guys get to keep all the doe if they just fess-up and co-operate. I say lets take an itty bitty vote on that one. Willcock can basically go suck it for being such holier-than-though goody fuckin two shoes, oh and thinking Obama is really a good guy but in deep cover. REEEEAL fckin DEEP. The two of them are also guilty of using the most stupid photos of themselves as their main chosen image I mean the fuck would look at htose pics and decide 'yeah, lookin good' and while I'm taking the piss I have to add that Fulford sounds like Deputy Daug

Anonymous said...

I don't think it's unlikely that the minions will turn on their masters, just out of self preservation. I predict it. Well, Clif High predicts it. It's a bug built in by attracting the sort that that kind of sick business attracts. I'm counting on it to lend instability to the field that they are creating. So many dire predictions have just slid past, and even events one would have expected to have a greater impact (the Gulf, Fukushima), that there's probably something that we can't see and don't understand working the other side.
Someday David Wilcox will be doing ads for Meta-mucil.

kevin said...

Me,you,fulford,wilcock,everyone is locked into a hypnotic trance that we think is real. of course denial runs deep in this, and part of the trance is the belief that we are not in this hypnotic trance.

The rabbit hole runs very deep!

Anonymous said...

Hi Les,
just to let you know, I do American Spirit roll-ups myself (here in the UK) - damn good smoke!
Only thing is, it's a bit dry - any suggestions on dealing with that?
Also why the jihad - in every western country - against tobacco? It can't be because the authorities ae concerned about people's health - they couldn't give a flying f. about that. Maybe the reason is that tobacco counteracts some of the pathogens they spray/put-in the food/water etc Any thoughts on that?


Visible said...

Frankie; That could well be. Although I like mine the way I get it, the secret to keeping your tobacco moist is to put a sliver of apple in the pack.

Jody Paulson said...

One episode of Jesse Ventura's "Conspiracy Theory" convinced me there is a base under the Denver Airport. And I have heard of people complaining of explosions under the place Dick Cheney lives that go back at least a decade ago. And I doubt very much the earthquake in VA was entirely natural. Does that mean this guy is right? Don't ask me, I wouldn't know.

Anonymous said...

Ben Fulford....
Insane, Verdict Full of shit.

David Wilcox....
Egomaniac, Weird Haircut, Verdict Full of shit.

Sorcha Faal....
Verdict LOL !

The Professional...
Loved that movie.


(Most Likely is followed by Large Object
6 times the size of Jupiter)

Aligned with the Earth and Sun on these Dates.
(note 1 AU is approx = distance from Earth to Sun)

2010/2/27 7.03 AU from Earth Magnitude 8.8 Chile
(the 7th greatest in history)

2010/9/4 5.25 AU from Earth Magnitude 7.0 Christchurch, NZ

2011/3/11 4 days earlier (aligned on Mar 15) 3.14 AU from Earth
Magnitude 9.0 (the 4th greatest in history) Japan.

NEXT Alignment (Earth ,Venus, Sun and Elenin)

2011/9/26~28 Will be .61 AU from Earth .....
I'd watch this one Folks !!
(Possibility of 3 days of darkness)

Verdict Plausible. Not long to see if this is true.

Patrick V1.0

Anonymous said...

Underground 'cities'? Silly.

Large, secure underground command posts? Quite plausible. Probably several throughout the U.S. Nowhere near as big or mysterious as these CIA blogger-lackeys would have one believe.

Such reports are pure info-tainment.
Disappointing if not amusing. More a psy-op case of "let's see if they swallow this and we'll monitor the depth and breadth of our little story"


Nayon said...

Sorcha Fool did post an article about this the day after the "earthquake":

bholanath said...

Made it to about 1/3 down the scroll bar so far...getting fatigued.
Deep rabbit burrow, something is happening, I don't know...don't know if I care either, oh it's all so thrillingly fucking glamorous. It's all under control.

Anonymous said...

Israel; nexus point between ancient and modern, Annunaki/Ashke-nazi traditional claim to triumvirate of pseudo-religion, artificially inseminated (luciferian) burr in the wringraith saddle of world affairs.

U.S.; vendor nation, button men for the red-shield cabal (aka nwo).

Motto; "not enough that I succeed, everyone else must fail."

(c.i.a. or quixotic, fulford has both the intel and tone of true disaffected 'privilege'.)

katz said...

David Wilcox thinks he is the reincarnated Edgar Cayce. He points to the fact that they both had the same youthful experience, and they both look alike. Now, I believe in reincarnation, as much as the next guy, but I never heard that you come back in the exact same looking body, as before. That must mean that I look exactly like Cleopatra.

Well, as for Ben Fulford? He always promises such nice hopefuls, but never delivers. Plus, why would he care to say, if it were true?

I like to read Sorcha Faal, bc it is fun. Her/his/their links are always interesting, and always slanted, but I read it to see what kind of BS they think may be, on the odd chance that maybe some of it may be true, as they always like to put a bit of perfume in their manure to spice it and make it smell better. It's like junk food: nice, but too much makes your mind swell.

Lately, I've been very disappointed in the boyz at Langley for their lack of product at Sorcha Faal. Weeks go by and they haven't bothered to write any new material for my reading pleasure.

I have to admit, I read the whole interview. It was fun. It was the sort of thing that I enjoy bc even though it is never really true, sometimes it makes me think some of it could be true.

I kept hoping that someone would do something, so I guess I'm vulnerable to that sort of hope.

Thanks for the blog. It was really one of the most interesting blogs, IMHO.

kf said...

Huh-ha! Made me jump up from the spectator seats again today!

Every time I hear that (‘everyone else says that I’m’) Edgar Cayce reincarnate name I want to smack him (in a dignified maternal way of course). There’s no theory, no idea, no simmer of a thought in the conspiracy world that Wilcock won’t latch on to and advertise as his own.

The-tall-blonds-told-me-what-the-natives-need-Miriam and call-me-dr.-Bill (the man who turned down the Pindar crown) are two more that are like nails on a chalkboard. They've gained celebrity, traveled and sell their wares on the conspiracy circuit’s dime - to no good for the rest of us as far as I'm concerned.

With embarrassment I admit that I’ve fallen under the spell of certain charismatic types along the road to growing up, however these clowns are outrageously ill-fitted for their roles.

As for crazy cousin Ben, I don’t know what to say – I think he’s earnest but he’s been led down a primrose path from which there appears to be no return.

Anonymous said...

Hi Les. I figure this is quicker than an email.

I am sensitive to bullshit, and am attracted to it for the wealth amidst the lines.

I came across this interesting piece, by another of the bullshit sensitives (or at least, that's how he's playing it...).

The seismic charts related to the quakes in question are rather interesting.


Anonymous said...

disinfo agents
annuki wetiko
old devil beast
false jew deceivo
the cages of the self
where terror begins
a death cult thats falling
by the weight of within
on a cold dead system
divine is all truth
the great red dragon
collapsed by misuse
from a sweep of a feather
the life that lives all
in the school of all sanctity
the truths great hall


Brian Crossland said...

Hi, The two maxims "follow the money" and "cui bono" shift a lot of BS. for me too, May I add a significant third? "History is written by the victors"
Ergo silenced victims.
And yet another Holocaust movie.

Richie (Dana) said...

Even though I am not one of those that asked for this piece, I appreciate that you took the time to address this sort of thing.
the comments here are very entertaining.
A while back I was on the Wilcox site and he was advising everyone very excitedly to watch some TV show and we would discover some sort of disclosure.
I sat in my chair laughing. Watch TV???
I do not have or watch TV so I guess I missed out on that one.
The word ludicrous comes to mind.

The bottom line for me is some sort of connection to the Divine. Something positive to help me reach my goal. If that is lacking, then it all just becomes cheap entertainment. Once you have been led astray a few times it is time to catch a clue and stop wasting time.
Since I realize that no government, president,congressman, Edger Casey, White Dragon, or little green men in flying saucers are going to bother with saving me, I have my own little litmus test for all.

Does this lead me to the Divine Creator?
In some strange ass backwords sort of way, it actually does.

Have a nice day everyone :)


Anonymous said...

HAHA Chastity scares the hell out of me too. I think you're right about ben and his dragons. Good article.

Modern Day Metal Making Alchemist at Work said...

My two cents on Wilcox. As you’ve said earlier we hold everyone to new litmus criteria. Wilcox has put himself out there in newage la la land as the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce with the inference that he possesses the same qualities and clarity of the famous sleeping prophet clairvoyant. 5 or 6 years ago I had some back and forth emails with David Wilcox and it was evident that he was at a frequency bandwidth of a preppy new ager and not to be taken seriously. Cayce had a gravitas that Wilcox will never have. NOISE

Anonymous said...

“In an October 2010 sermon, Yosef Ovadia a spiritual leader of Israel stated in December 2010 that:

“The sole purpose of non-Jews is to serve Jews”. (sic)

He said that Gentiles served a divine purpose:

“Why are Gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat. That is why Gentiles were created.” (sic)

Are direct quotes anti-Semitic?

neal said...

I did my tour in a deep cave, anyone that claims to know facts about that, should listen to Johnny Cash- he never let the facts get in the way of protection.

Well fed and dressed soldiers circling around the weak and hungry, and everyone wants to know who makes the surfboards, and the uniforms.

Pogo knows, it's just your neighbors, and friends, and you, without protection from the way things are.

Mercy, and grace, and sanctuary aren't cool. I should go hang out with Mel Gibson, and be more erratic, and wait for the crime scene photos.

Got to go, the son is here now, and has reptiles hiding in his homework, and there is still some room to make trouble.

Anonymous said...

Hi Les. Sorcha Faal is David Booth, a CIA disinfo agent.

FYI, Christopher Story outed Sorcha Faal as a CIA disinfo agent... Scroll down to the footnotes and you'll see her site is registered by CIA headquarters.

See also;

A23 said...

When you said you’d rather move onto anything else other than a Natalie Portman movie, with horror, my immediate thought was “Errr wtf? Leon?!?!”. I didn’t realise it was aka The Professional. My bad. The DVD sits pride of place on my shelf.

Related: has anyone else seen Gary Oldman in Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy? I was expecting so much….. alas this film has done nothing to arrest the decline in my faith in “Hollywood’s” creativity. Sure, I knew the joint was run by “them”, but I rather foolishly expected some rare exceptions to be released from time to time. I was sadly wrong.

I remember seeing this Benjamin Fulford stuff when I was lurking around the Rumour Mill whatsit website a few years back. Stank to high heaven of BS back then. I mean, crazy though the real nature of things would seem when presented to an uninformed virgin, this guy’s spiel is on a whole other level. Which I think is quite possibly the target market. A whole OTHER level of vulnerable gullibility. Seems to be a common theme among the various brands of BS based “truth” movements, that they’re carry outrageous claims so preposterous that they suck in a particular group of the… disenfranchised? Is that what we are? I jest…

Les, your narrative often finds me chuckling with its subtly cynical humour. I don’t know why, maybe I’m in a funny mood today, but for some reason something as simple as:

” I’m sticking with ‘follow the money’ and ‘cui bono’, as opposed to follow the cowpies and Cher Bono, otherwise you wind up having to clean your shoes and things like Chastity Bono”

- had me howling. I’ve been doing a lot of laughing today. I thank you for your contribution to my daily dose of medicine.

Matthew’s comment had me chuckling also.

DaveS: dude – yous on the money.

I don’t comment as much as I should. Thank you, as always, for your continued efforts and expression.

You’re very much appreciated, by so many.


Em (M. Rocknest) said...

I guess I judge things like the site mentioned with the criteria that if something is as huge as portrayed there should be no profit involved with spreading the message. These "white hatters/dragons" should be able to easily finance various methods of distribution without selling books. After all, the claim is that they got nukes into the cabal’s secret underground cities. I always thought that if I ever learned of say a cure for cancer or something I would give it freely to the world because it would be unthinkable to profit from such knowledge, either by glory or by monetary means. Guess that's why I hang around here because you, Les, are genuinely uninterested in becoming fabulously wealthy, even though your words are certainly worthy of great monetary reward.

Actually I came across the "White Dragon Society" quite awhile ago and the fact that it quickly slipped out of my mind means one of two things. (1) I perceived it as bullshit. (2) I have a mind like a sieve. Actually it’s most likely a combination of (1) and (2).

Freddamedgjedda wrote: “And I must admit that I would very much like it to be true. At least the bit about the minions turning on TPTW.” I have to admit the same, despite the paragraph above. There is so much to love about this planet and so many people worthy of our love that I don’t want the dark forces to triumph.

Captain Cement said...

Its now clear that anybody that is promoted on coast to coast am is a total agent. Quayle,Jones and on and on it goes but one of the psy-oppers not mentioned here is the crack tinted voice of Daniel Pinchbeck (or Daniel Pinch-a-loaf as he is known at this household)

You might have noticed that Pinchbeck and Wilcock were led onto the sceen by MI6 Graham Handcock.

If you belive something because you want it to be true,it usually means it is not.

James Arthur Jancik said...

Greetings Les!

You write with a poetic, creative energy that analogically adds emotion to the plain written text as contrast and shadow adds to a sketch.

I mentioned this topic this past Sunday on my show. After doing my show for over 8 years... and have heard many things... "my connections/sources" means as much as to me channeled info from aliens or angels. Words mean little, but data does.

The only evidence that remotely supports the claims is the seismic signature more like a bomb then an earthquake (as pointed out by Sterling Allan of PESN on my show); but that still is a far cry from underground cities and thousands being destroyed.

Keep on Keepin on Bro!
-James Arthur Jancik
The "Black Knight" of Talk Radio
Feet to the Fire (

Anonymous said...

Thanks for bringing this up. The disinfo crowd is in 6th gear and have been for long. They're dominating the alternative scene, and trying to discredit all genuine truth activists.

My "trusted sources" list is very short.

Due to all the lies, hypocrisy, woo-woo, insanity, paranoia, imminent doom, we are all fucked, disinfotainment, mud slinging, popularity contests and personality cults etc. that dominate the scene, I hardly spend any time online anymore.

You are one of my few online stops, and I find it comforting that you admit that you don't know, yet still share your gut feel and impressions.

So...what do you think might happen in 6 weeks?

Anonymous said...

I have to say, I enjoyed how Comet Elenin left a few full-time doomerologists with egg on their faces :D

Anonymous said...

David Wilcock is a known intelligence asset. An agency-connected buddy of mine gave me the skinny on him 11 years ago...

S. daly said...

You try way to hard to sound intelligently profound at the expense of your own writing. I can never seem to make it through any of your blogs. you fail to pull it off.- Sean

Anonymous said...

I am fairly socially conservative but poor Chas.....really he makes sense when you listen to him and he has a heart and feelings- comes across as a really nice, intelligent person. That said, its o.k. to be turned off by someone sexually and to still be nice to them.

siamsam said...

@ Frankie

Also why the jihad - in every western country - against tobacco? It can't be because the authorities are concerned about people's health - they couldn't give a flying f. about that.

Good question Frankie. A few years ago I listened to an interview with the then head of the UKIP (Uk Indendance Party)at a site I often visit. To cut a story he left his phone contact number so one morning I gave him a call. I was quite surprised when he answered as he sounded like he had just woken up.

Amongst a host of questions I asked him about the attack on smoking. He said 'you fucking know why' I said yes I think I know why but I would like your view. He said just like the post office thing (closing them down in communities that depend on them) it is part of the plan to isolate people. So there you have it from someone that should know!

Das Kapital my freind Das Kapital

PS it is not just western countries. They have the same thing here in Siam but nobody gives a fuck and things go on as ever. The only places that enforce the ban are western interests so they lose. China also has restrictions now - this is global,

Neko Kinoshita said...

I don’t know anything Vis, but I always thought you were that weird guy over in the old country somewhere who keeps reading my mind. Since most of my friends (few that I still have) and family think I’m totally nuts, I suppose that may say something too.

Of course I like The Professional (AKA Leon) in spite of, or perhaps because of, the overtones… There was some other movie she made a while back that I thought was pretty good, I just can’t remember the name, probably because it wasn’t as good as I just said…

First time I read Fulford, my bullshit detector went berserk, nuff said. Underground bases are one thing, but “The City of Ember” was a movie…Of course they keep telling me “The message IS the movie.” The “Major Quake” every 188 days makes more sense to me than minor alignments with fading comets, of course the question is why the divine is using such timing. I guess I just don’t understand, but then again, why do I need to?

No one seems to catch on, perhaps the planet has REASON to shake. Not everything is the “hidden hand of evil” (tm)

Hey A23: I used to enjoy reading The Rumor Mill too, their “Coke Vs. Pepsi” Faction fighting stuff was kinda’ amusing. But there are more factions than that, how many tribes again? I don’t waste what little time I have on that stuff anymore.

All I needed to know about “Peter’s” church was actually left in Acts. All of the Organized Religions (another tm) have a LOT to answer for, no argument, but I have no time to fool with weighing judgment either, it’s not my pay grade.

Best information I know of about Elenin. No commentary, just information about locations and brightness. Opinion is that it disintegrated.

Southern Comets

Yeah, I agree with the Anonymouse @4:33PM, Clif is predicting a lot alright, let’s see what he has to say tomorrow shall we?


wv: protocur: The dog in charge of who gets posted I expect (*grin*).

Anonymous said...

The Wilcock interview with Fulford has now been posted on Veterans Today by Jim Fetzer. It has me more than a little bit curious.

Anonymous said...

Wilcock, Faal, and Fulford deserve a menage a quatre with Barry Manilow!

"Looks like they faked it
and met each other on the way
to another world.

Looks like they faked it

That's what I thought then and still do today.

and now they're here, and they're there, everywhere

and all I read is shit the way they faked it."

I'll have to admit, despite one of the kings of schmaltz, Barry deserves better than that! :(

I love you Les!

Anonymous said...

Very interesting. Can't provide a link but I read an article by someone who back tracks speech. They back tacked Fulford and he proved to be sincere. I don't doubt he has contact with people in high places. He's the perfect patsy. He believes everything they tell him. Some of their info is true, a lot of it is BS. He did interview Rockefeller. Nothing much came out of that interview. See how much success you have getting an interview with that demon.

I have read a lot of Wilcocks stuff. He has a good mind but I think in a lot of ways he is naive. As an example he sometimes quotes Voice of the Whitehouse (it is called something else now) and such sources for his articles. I got in a email exchange with Voice of the Whitehouse a few years back. The guy that wrote for them is completely full of shit. He was full of counterdiction between what he wrote and the emails. Anyhow Wilcock was calling this source credible.

A lot of what Fulford discussed in the Wilcock interview is similar to what is being channeled by some celestials. Kind of has a NESARA ring to it.

One other thing, the seismic data from the Virginia quake doesn't quite make sense. Kind of looks like the 911 graph of the twin towers and building 7 when they pancaked down after the heat became so intense it melted the steel. (GRIN)


Pete said...

Hey Les,
It took me about 30 seconds to detremine the Wilcox guy is a phoney. Cayce reincarnated for profit :) After looking at the cost of his lectures and other products, I determined that my intuition was correct. Manly Hall and other teachers that are widely esteemed make that point that the teacher cannot charge because that which he imparts is not his to sell. The teacher is a channel only. I think a lot of the new age phoney's out there are people with some natural psychic abilities who either sell out to their ego's need for aggrandizement and/or they rationalize it to themselves that they are helping people and that is what really counts. That being said, if one's aspiration is fervent enough he can attain enlightenment even through a false teacher. I think I heard that quote from you once and it stuck. Have you ever checked out David Hawkins and if so what is your read on that guy?

Mongo said...

Dear Mr. Visible,

David whats his name, of divine cosmos claims to be the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce...
you know the sleeping profit,or prophet...oops...

Daily reading n digging your stuff, whilst smoking american spirits, and watching jupiter late at

I think its jupiter, if not - at least it aint hogwash, like all the fulford prognostications...

it must be cool to be him... the only dude in the world who knows all the dirty little machinations of the Illuminati and I bet he still has time to memorize all the Kung Fu re-runs too...

as a sidebar, God came through for me and my wife today and I am so blissed out I can hardly contain myself...He is so worth searching out no matter how dumb I must seem to Him...

Peace, Yer Pal Mongo...

Aloha Mermaid said...

Aloha Les

I Have been thinking about this all day. My conclusion is the earth
quakes were a result of the TPTB
connecting specific WORMHOLES to
their underground bases. I am basing this on my research; and in particular wormhole and stargate maps. Look at:
Ascension Mechanics Video
Ashayana Deane
3 parts
available at You tube or try

Maps available in Ashayana's book
Voyagers 2
In my opinion the very best and most important book I have ever read. full of our true history and what is happening on a much bigger Galactic level. THE BIGGER PICTURE
Sending all my Love Aloha And Light

Anonymous said...

Until Fulford's army of ninjas show up and take care of the elite as he has threatened, he has zero credibility and should keep his mouth shut. He is rather funny though; which is better than nothing.

AlohaMermaid said...

Just to clarify the and add specifics to my last post. TPTB are using off world technology to TUNE,MODIFY,CONNECT or ADJUST WORMHOLES to the existing underground bases which causes
earthquakes due to the scalar frequencies.EVERYTHING IS frequency WE ARE frequency and CONSCIOUSNESS IS FREQUENCY. Consciousness IS Energy and Energy
IS Consciousness Many Mahalos and

DaveR said...

Been reading/following Wilcock since '99 when his site was Was good info at one time but now it's mostly him hawking his appearances (and how "amazing" they are). The interesting articles are still on his site, but hard to find. Somebody once told me I look(ed) like the Andrew Jackson on the $10 bill. I think it's the 10... Maybe I'm Andrew reincarnated! I don't give much thought to Wilcock and the eternally imminent "disclosure" for a few reasons, not the least of which is their not printing my comments, especially when I was taking shots about a certain missing birth certificate. They seemed all to happy to post things about how wonderful David is though.

Fulford too was interesting at first and I was hoping a few splattered oligarchs would help set things right, but to no avail.

The point about all these elite/plutocrat/oligarch/lizards is that they do think they are doing the RIGHT thing. It's just that we poor underlings don't understand what it is they are doing. To them we count for nothing so they don't understand what all the complaining is about when they need to kill a bunch of us. It's like a friend put it. We're just trees in the forest. If they're gonna build a cabin they'll need to kill a few trees, but that doesn't mean they hate the forest.

When I was a kid I'd set off firecrackers in the ant hills. The ants seemed to get all excited about it for some reason....

Anonymous said...

Rev. Ted Pike does not go as far as to name Israel as doing 9/11 but the rest is here:

"Scripture also describes only one city as center of world rule in the last days, and that is Jerusalem. Paul states clearly that the anti-Christ will declare his one-world authority from the temple at Jerusalem, where he proclaims he is God. (2 Thess. 2:4) When the two witnesses resist him, they do not battle a papal anti-Christ but “the wicked profane prince of Israel” in Jerusalem. (Ezek. 21:25) These scriptures point to Jerusalem as the epicenter of one-world rebellion against God; Jerusalem and Babylon are one!

Modern Judaism is Babylonian

There is more depth to the metaphor. Judaism literally is Babylonian, more than nearly any other religion or culture. Most of its religious laws and traditions, including the Babylonian Talmud and Zohar (Kabbalah), come from nearly 1,600 years Jews spent on the fertile plains of Shinar. Few religions have a deeper tradition of occult. Revelation describes Babylon the Great deceiving the world through her “sorceries” and the Jewish encyclopedias tell us it was Judaism which carried Babylon’s black arts, demonology and astrology to the West.

This is as true today as ever. Jewish supremacism today is not only erecting a political, financial, commercial world empire but spewing filth on the nations through their movie and TV media. (link to Jews in media article) They spearhead freedom-destroying, pro-homosexual hate crimes laws worldwide and abet all forms of left-wing and anti-Christ radicalism through their “civil liberties” fronts such as ADL, ACLU and the Southern Poverty Law Center.

And just as “Babylon the Great” will deceive the world, so Jewish leaders today present a whitewashed façade to Christians and the world – an illusion of goodness that has never been more convincing or scrupulously maintained. The Jewish lobby deceived Christians into unquestioning support of Israel’s ambitions and atrocities in the Mideast; this is awesome evidence of the manipulative influence Jewry will enjoy as we draw even closer to the end. When Christ warned that the delusions of the end time would be so irresistible that “even the very elect” could be deceived, He was speaking of our day!

In our day we witness the continuing and monstrous complications of that great divorce of Christ from his chosen bride millennia ago. We are not simply approaching the foothills of anti-Christ. We are in them. Through intrigue and deception, the control and commercialism of “ Babylon the Great” has come surround us. Yet we have not perceived it. We have, in fact, assisted it.

Babylon is now.

How should Christians respond to the fact that Israel and Babylon are one? Jesus tells us the answer. "Come out of her, my people, that you may not participate in her sins, and that you may not receive of her plagues, for her sins have piled up as high as heaven…" (Rev. 18:4-5)"

Anonymous said...

glorious life
beautiful dream
true heart medicine
earthly green
streams that whisper
birds in flight
quenching thirst
of touching height
golden rivers
the oceans breeze
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of vibrance sees
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Anonymous said...

hey stickman,ghana,estaban and anyone else who cares to use that spontaneous moment,today could be a good day for our brothers in palestine,,,,lets help that day,bring out the best of us,I am going to try.....
have to go to stupid work first though

good morning to you lord visibles,

respects to all...neil

9/11 truth said...

Not only did Israel benefit economically, politically, and militarily from 9/11 more so than any other nation on the planet, but ardent Zionists with close links to Israel, US-Israeli dual nationals, and even Israelis, are found at every pivotal nook and cranny of the plot.

Questioning Ron Paul said...

Concerning Ron Paul. I agree he is the lesser of present evils, but there are some real problems.

He says Israel is a friend of the USA.

He says the USA was not complicit in the attacks of 9/11.

He is a 33 degree Mason. His father was a Mason. His wife is a member of the Eastern Star order. His daughters are Rainbow Girls.

The Masons, the Illuminati and the NWO are intertwined and all have the same goal; a one world government run by the uber elite.

He supports gold but does not state the USA should continue to be an independent sovereign state with its own separate money system. He appears to support a free global market without any sovereign countries.

What if R.Paul is a wolf in sheep's clothing who is pro-zionist and pro-global currency (albeit based on gold - which the illuminati have stored in abundance) and pro-one world government (zionist international bankers)?

Points and questions to ponder...

Anonymous said...

Comment from poster re David Willcock
Benjamin Foolford blog

"Tears are streaming down my face as I start to feel the chains breaking slowly.

The beautiful transformation is right around the corner, and we can lubricate its arrival with our intentions for peace...

Thank you David. Thank you EVERYONE for being a part of this change by just being here"

OK - Throwing up on my keyboard

Anonymous said...

Have a look at this link about the history of COINTELPRO, and the methods used:

Look at what it says under 2012:

"The end of the world as we know it is being sold. If the news isn't feeding it to you, then the History Channel or Discover Channel are either talking about the crusades, asteroids, UFOs, earthquakes, tsunamis, supervolcanoes, comets, pole flips, magnetic storms, solar flares, terrorism, global warming, impending iceage, or exposes about serial killers...and dirty bombs. They dismiss conspiracy theories with disinfotainment. They craft the message that our world is unstable, and the threat is always an invisible and dangerous one that only our military can fix. When you compile all the messages and their effects, you end up with a script -- a screenplay produced in the movie studios of Hollywood hell."

Use this to spot the COINTELPRO agents, the guys keeping us busy with an invisible enemy that is too large to defeat, and other cosmic catastrophes and 'act of God' type scenarios that are out our hands. They create a feeling of helplessness.

They take away people's desire and realization that we must be progressive about the conspiracies we CAN do something about, 9/11, oppression, looming fascism and financial fraud - the real man-made conspiracies.

Everyone can do a little something. Les keeps blogging, and you can do a little something too, even if it's just to see if there is a family who is struggling to make ends meet, and try and see them through.

Everyone keeps themselves occupied with the junk these disinfotainers are dishing up for us on a daily basis, eyes glued to the screens, and no-one is checking out for the real everyday victims of these crimes on the streets.

The other thing is, and I "know" this to be true. Fear is the biggest stumbling block in spiritual evolution and growth. If you're afraid, they have you right where they want you. Many people are afraid because they keep reading all these unrealistic apocalyptic scenarios day in and day out.

Don't be afraid, if you're afraid, they've won the battle for your soul, at least for now.

"What the caterpillar calls the end of the world the master calls a butterfly."

This is from Illusions:

Anonymous said...


“There’s no electricity, no phone coverage. Nothing,” resident Ibrahim Ramadan said, standing by a car packed with his family at a checkpoint. Interim government forces were handing out juice to civilians and rifling through their belongings to search for weapons.

Residents said homes had been destroyed and cars smashed to pieces as disorder spread through the city.

“People are fed up. There are explosions going off everywhere and you don’t know where the bullets will come from next,” said Abubakr, a resident making his way out of the city.

“Look at this,” he said, pointing to a bullet hole in his windscreen. “Bullets are coming down from above. People are just firing randomly.”

Those mother fucking Nato forces! Working directly for that zionist swine Rothschild in his failing bid to hold on to NWO building. It's a bust!
They need to give it up. The NWO is never going to succeed so why go on killing innocent people for nothing?
Stop this madness!
Rothschild you evil prick - if you don't stop the killing it will be on your head all that comes to you and your fellow NWO zionists.
You are a fool.

Nihilist sypathiser said...


Greece is being defaulted on purpose by the powers that own. Why?

Because they will adopt GOLD as their currency after bankruptcy. The will be the first country in the world to be 100% owned and controlled by the zionist NWO.

Upon restructuring after insolvency Greece will be completely beholden to the zionist international bankers. The currency will be SDR or equivalent issued, owned and controlled by Rothschild and their cronies.

The will be an example to the other countries of the world of what to do when bankruptcy occurs.

Several months down the road when USA defaults they will look back to Greece and embrace implementing the SDR of the NWO.

Greece is the example the USA is being set up to follow. Same as all other countries in the world.

Here today, NWO tomorrow.

est said...

forgive me, john
i don't believe in

i don't believe in

i don't believe in

i don't believe in

i don't believe in

i don't believe in

i don't believe in

i don't believe in

i don't believe in

i don't believe in

i don't believe in

he just believes in

and that's exactly why
i'm free

and that's my

est said...

obfuscate |ˈäbfəˌskāt|
verb [ trans. ]

render obscure, unclear, or unintelligible

bewilder (someone) :
it is more likely to obfuscate people than enlighten them.

obfuscation |ˌäbfəˈskā sh ən| noun
obfuscatory |äbˈfəskəˌtôrē| adjective

ORIGIN late Middle English : from late Latin obfuscat- ‘darkened,’ from the verb obfuscare, based on Latin fuscus ‘dark.’

Anonymous said...

I see someone mentioned Ashayana Deane and Project Scamelot -

Ashayana Deane is a manipulative cult leader and disinfo artist, formerly called Anna Hayes.

Project Scamelot is disinfotainment central.

I get extremely discouraged when I see how easily the masses are duped.

It's a very worrying state of affairs.

Sergej said...

Frankie, there are many better brands than A. Spirit, try Pepe or Pueblo for example, both additive-free and available in several different sorts. Also Gauloises and Lucky have an additive-free variety now. You can also order raw nicotiniana Rustica rolls from south america, 25 EUR for a big roll weighing about 1kg.

On topic: Fulford is a canadian jew, his mother is jewish. That aside, he's been singing the same bullshit since years without ANY of it ever materializing. Says it all right there.

Will-cock is just a businessman raising huge money from gullible idiots who believe his "aliens will save us all" bullshit. He sells books & downloads, seminars and what have you. Just a money machine. His whole thing is based on the "Book of One" channeling sessions from a decade or so ago, spiced up with some severely flawed "science" which is easily debunkable for the properly informed/educated people.

To sum it up: don't bother. It's a mixture of disinfo and stupidity, hard to tell which one of those is prevalent.

Visible said...

Yes, I was probably "cruel to be kind" concerning Chas tisty but if you go to the front page of today you'll see why. The Zio-Satanist gender bending social destruction machine is in full bore.

Study the fall of any great culture and note the same indicators across the board. Note any rising, emergent great culture and you will notice the absence of the same.

I'm not anti-any permutation of the horizontal hula (my term). I'm opposed to the willful forcefeeding of it into preeminence over the general inclination of the greater schematic. You'll note the interesting population similarities size wise between the Synagogue of Satan and the alternative sexual universe and there's nothing accidental about it.

I've been easily as alternative and pissed on by the mass conformity engine as anyone and part of an easily smaller number, I'm not whining about it or demanding you give me more than parity. It's not the lifestyle I have a problem with and until those so offended understand this we won't be having much of a dialogue.

You can't enforce or define normal by militant inclusion anymore than you can justify the intentions of PC as of benefit to the whole. What it is is dumbing down and destroying the moral mortar that holds it all together. I'm not saying I'm a mason in the moral mortar business. I'm saying when the house crashes then no one has anywhere to live, except for the people who destroyed the house because they've moved on to another warm host.

Feel free to go and download this weeks dancing with the stars.

Visible said...

Just in case it goes off the front page anytime soon.

est said...

about that article

being from vermont
and living there still

i can assure you
the only thing

that's changed here
is the bottom line - ha

those little inns
are cashing in

one got in trouble
for refusing two woman

but sodom and gomorrah
has yet to arrive

i don't give a fuck
who you marry

as long as it's
not me

Dave Klausler said...



Kawther Salam said...

"(19) The UN General Assembly, the UN Security Council and other appropriate organizations of international law are requested to a) immediately end all activity of the “Middle East Quartet” due to lack of purpose; b) commission and deploy for a limited time an appropriately sized military contingent to protect the Arab population of Palestine from pogroms by the resident Jewish population, to disarm all Zionist military or para-military forces and civilians, to protect the 4/5
Palestinian Arabs from further plunder and genocidal efforts by the Israelis. Such efforts shall be undertaken in consultation with representatives of the Palestinian nation elected properly and by free and popular will.

(20) The UN General Assembly is requested to instruct all its members to assist in winding up the “State of Israel”, repatriating the Jewish immigrants and their descendants to their home countries to be determined by the precept of “ius sanguini”, to cause the discovery and freezing all assets of the “State of Israel” or its representatives or their relatives, the “Palestinian Authority” or its representatives or their relatives, held in their own name or in the name of the “Palestinian Authority”, “State of Israel” or any organization or sub-units of said entities or under any other name, until such assets can be turned over to a legitimately constituted political representation of all the Palestinian people. All such assets are herewith claimed as restitution and reparations for the grave crimes perpetrated against the Palestinian nation during more than 6 decades.
Most Respectfully,

Kawther Salam
Palestinian Journalist / Political Refugee
Vienna, Austria, on 19 September 2011

UN New York / General Assembly"

Anonymous said...

Hey Les, have you ever read this article on National Geographic about Ayahuasca:

National Geographic has gotten more enquiries about this article than any other article EVER!

It's a stunning article. I guess people are ready to hear this stuff ;)

Visible said...

never even heard of it.

Anonymous said...

Here's a site I regularly frequent. One of my favorites, together with your blogs, Les. They have some great articles:

Visible said...

I've been there a time or two. I read their article on Burning Man a few weeks ago.

Anonymous said...

Fuck, the 1st comment here from Anonymous was funny.

In fact this whole blog entry with all the comments is hilarious.

I want to create a parody site about all these disinfotainers and their loyal followers.

Lord knows there's no shortage of hucksters and hucksterism.

...we are in so much shit.

Anonymous said...

Carl Calleman is a joke.

Check out this email exchange between him and John Major Jenkins:

Cherry-picking historical events for his model of alternating day and night cycles is just so lame...

...please...and people are lining up and paying money for this shit...

Anonymous said...

I just want to point out, I've been noticing a few comments with "white hats" and "black hats" in them.

The Scientologists use those terms, referring to themselves as "white hats" of course.

Scientology has also infiltrated the alternative community, therefore the regular "white hats" and "black hats" popping up everywhere.

One of them is Bill Ryan from Project Avalon, himself an "ex-Scientologist" ;) and a cult leader these days, babbling on and on about "white hats" and "black hats"...

I also see a lot of Scientology ads on alternative discussion boards...what have you done to us, Tom Cruise???

LOL, my "word verification" is MANTIS!!

Anonymous said...

"The Wilcock interview with Fulford has now been posted on Veterans Today by Jim Fetzer. It has me more than a little bit curious."

Jim Fetzer is another disinfo artist who has infiltrated 9/11 Truth.

There's one on your right, there's one one your left, thete's one above you, there's one below you, there's one ahead of you, there's one behind you.

Anonymous said...

:Comment from poster re David Willcock
Benjamin Foolford blog

"Tears are streaming down my face as I start to feel the chains breaking slowly.

The beautiful transformation is right around the corner, and we can lubricate its arrival with our intentions for peace...

Thank you David. Thank you EVERYONE for being a part of this change by just being here""


Oh shit, we're in so much shit!!!!!!

TPTB must be laughing their asses off when they read stuff like that.

Gregory F. Fegel said...

If nukes had blasted huge underground bases in Colorado and Virginia, there should have been some evidence of it above ground, such as some smoke, some radiation, and a big subsidence crater.

To cause the quake and tsunami that hit Japan would require a humongous, super-megaton nuclear munition. And it's uncertain if even a monster nuke could shift tectonic plates.

The Japan quake and tsunami happened in a place where such events are historically commonplace and they are expected to happen. It was really stupid to build a nuke plant anywhere on the Japanese coast. Actually, nuclear power plants are inherently unsafe "disasters waiting to happen" wherever you build them.

It's hard to assess if this type of Disinfo is government-paid work or just self-employed delusion or chicanery. Due to the over-active fantasy life of many people, I'm guessing that the there are plenty of sincere nutters and insincere con artists who operate without government funding. That allows the government to focus its support on gatekeepers like the MSM and NPR.

The US government (or the international elitist Cabal, if you will) often does promote crackpot stories, rumors and ideas that serve to create "cognitive diversity" -- which means contradictory narratives that cause confusion and disagreement.

For example, since 9/11/2001 the US government has endorsed, and continues to endorse, two contradictory versions of the crash of Flight 93. The two incompatible versions are "subterranean burial" and "exploded and disintegrated on impact." Some representatives of the US government have also endorsed a third narrative -- "shot down by USAF." The fact is that there was insufficient airliner debris at Shanksville or anywhere else to account for Flight 93, and the logical conclusion is that Flight 93 never crashed anywhere, and that "Let's Roll!" was a propaganda hoax perpetrated by the US government.

Anonymous said...

"I've been there a time or two. I read their article on Burning Man a few weeks ago."

Ah, yeah, I like that hangout. I'm obviously not saying they're on the money with everything - who is? - I just like the vide around there.

Aunt Franny said...

It's all about discernment, I suppose, as they keep telling us. Each of us discerns in our own way and many of us discern incorrectly.

Fulford ... oh, if it were only true! Don't you WANT to believe that there are some good guys in positions to do something GOOD on this planet? Don't you WANT to believe it is a meaningful shift of energy if for a moment your heart lifted and you were not in fear or cynicism?

It's just totally amazing that with all of us BILLIONS of people who say we want peace and justice, nowhere do our governments represent us in that wanting. How is that possible?

TPTB want there to be "democracies" because they are the EASIEST political systems to control. (BTW, democracies don't exist anywhere including the USA and historically in Greece only existed for a very short period of time before returning quickly to rule by Tyrants.)

Democracies, or even Representative Republics (which the USA is structured to be) require too much WORK. They require Eternal Vigilance on the part of the citizenry. The citizenry, of course, is too busy "making a living" to be eternally vigilant - the focus is on making the money to stay alive and buy things. While they're so busy struggling (intended, I'd say), the power/money people take over, elections become staged shows, and it goes downhill into Tyranny from there.

It ALWAYS goes this way because of class divisions based on wealth.

Therefore, all of us should get busy making the Philosopher's Stone and give it away for free, to equalize this old and ancient imbalance in the world. (see )

To the nay-sayers, don't automatically call it a wild goose if you haven't tried it. At least it will give you something positive to do with your energy.

Anonymous said...

"Therefore, all of us should get busy making the Philosopher's Stone and give it away for free, to equalize this old and ancient imbalance in the world. (see"

The Philosopher's Stone is not a physical object. Quit leading people astray, and quit advertising that hoax book of aquarius. I find it amazing that you chose a blog entry about disinfo to spread more disinfo. The "Philosopher's Stone" is an advanced stage of spiritual evolution, the alchemists only cloaked their esoteric knowledge in "alchemical language" because they were being persecuted.

"To the nay-sayers, don't automatically call it a wild goose if you haven't tried it. At least it will give you something positive to do with your energy."

I tell you what, why don't you go make it, and report back here ;)

Anonymous said...

"Concerning Ron Paul. I agree he is the lesser of present evils, but there are some real problems.

He says Israel is a friend of the USA.

He says the USA was not complicit in the attacks of 9/11.

He is a 33 degree Mason. His father was a Mason. His wife is a member of the Eastern Star order. His daughters are Rainbow Girls.

The Masons, the Illuminati and the NWO are intertwined and all have the same goal; a one world government run by the uber elite.

He supports gold but does not state the USA should continue to be an independent sovereign state with its own separate money system. He appears to support a free global market without any sovereign countries.

What if R.Paul is a wolf in sheep's clothing who is pro-zionist and pro-global currency (albeit based on gold - which the illuminati have stored in abundance) and pro-one world government (zionist international bankers)?"


Can you point us in a directing where we can verify these claims of yours, seeing as we are dealing with the topic of disinfo and all that.

Anonymous said...

Anybody knows is this disinfo, cia, or a "real" thing?;1MjM4NDkw1

Visible said...

Well, I'm not going to listen to the rest of that but he says he knows everything about everything and that he is a white hat and by that time I decided to turn it off and I'd say disinfo.

Aunt Franny said...

Re Anonymous:
"The Philosopher's Stone is not a physical object. Quit leading people astray, and quit advertising that hoax book of aquarius. I find it amazing that you chose a blog entry about disinfo to spread more disinfo. The "Philosopher's Stone" is an advanced stage of spiritual evolution, the alchemists only cloaked their esoteric knowledge in "alchemical language" because they were being persecuted."

Sorry, I forgot my caveats and came on too strong, as if the Stone were for real. There is debate about what the Philosopher's Stone really was, but alchemy itself was around in the world for a VERY long time before it morphed into the modern-day chemistry that has ended up poisoning the entire planet.

I intended my suggestion that you make a magical stone and give it away for free as a positive suggestion and I probably will try it. This may all be incorrect discernment on my part, of course.

Gregory F. Fegel said...

An anonymous commenter above posted this statement: "The Wilcock interview with Fulford has now been posted on Veterans Today by Jim Fetzer. It has me more than a little bit curious. Jim Fetzer is another disinfo artist who has infiltrated 9/11 Truth."

Now wait a minute. Our 9/11 Truth group in Portland has brought Jim Fetzer here twice to speak and we all think he's one of the best. I've hung out with him and we talked a great deal, and I find him brilliant, dedicated and sincere. Fetzer is highly educated, a very analytical, thinker, and he has a big heart. He's a PhD who's written many books and articles on computer science, evolution, critical thinking, the JFK assassination, and 9/11. He is rather tolerant of other people's ideas, which is why he indulged Judy Wood and maybe why he posted Fulford's interview.

Fetzer's own presentations are impeccably organized, well-documented, and sensible. Fetzer's talk in Portland on Sept 9, 2011 is the most comprehensive in-a-nutshell summary of the 9/11 Truth evidence I've ever seen. His presentation uses a lot of pertinent graphics, so you have plenty to look at. Check it out at this link:

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the advice on a slice of apple to keep the tobacco moist, Les.

Thanks SiamSam & Sergej ;)

Anonymous said...

About Jim Fetzer:

Jim Fetzer is a prime example of how disinfo operates. When someone distributes “laughable” disinfo, it is not because they are “tolerant of other people’s ideas”.

I have said this before, people need to get their critical thinking faculties working again as a matter of urgency. Disinfo is disinfo, and there is no excuse for promoting it.

Judy Wood and her space beam weapon has done her bit in discrediting 9/11 Truth – make 9/11 truth look like a bunch of deranged and unstable lunatics.
Explosives were used in the twin towers, enough witnesses testified to hearing the explosions. They even identified the type of explosion used from Groun Zero residue.

Something for you to ponder over:

Visible said...

A new Smoking Mirrors is up-

The Grantig Army in the Fata Morgana of Paradise Veiled.

Anonymous said...

via Homer..

Why can't this "philosopher's stone" be both?

The Shaligram Shila was around when the ancestors of the Europeans were still grunting and eating grubs.

(they still do, don't they?)

Visible said...

I tend to stay away from these kinds of discussions for reasons I don't want to go into but I will make an exception this time. The stone is spoken of as having a soft, malleable whiteness and in the writings of several occult historians and in certain tales of certain seekers they speak of a white stone that was in the possession of someone or other where a piece could be shaved off and applied as a universal medicine for any malady as well as a rejuvenative of extraordinary power. Of course the stone is an internal affair and has been likened to the crystallization of certain yellow matter in the pineal gland and is the product of the great work but there are too many tales out there by people who would not lie about mysterious strangers in the possession of an actual substance, so... that's all I'm going to say.

Anonymous said...

"Sorry, I forgot my caveats and came on too strong, as if the Stone were for real."

I also apologize, wasn't necessary to bite your head off.

Sometimes I just get so discouraged at the well-organized and concerted effort to direct people's attention away from that which matters.

Wasn't your fault. I've seen that book advertised all over the show now.

Again, sorry :)

Visible said...

Hey! I hope it wasn't my comment that distressed you. Read it more carefully. I said there is evidence that a physical stone, the excrescence of the inner has been mentioned many times by reputable individuals. As far as this individual book goes, i tend to doubt it intensely but I haven't read it. I'm going to scan it but I doubt it changes my opinion. As has been said many times by alchemists through the centuries it is an art and it requires the agency of the holy guardian angel to accomplish it. I realize that people are all too eager for a quick fix but if such a thing were possible there would be stones all over the place. A certain level of virtue is required as well. I hope not to have people yelling at me like the last time when I didn't jump up immediately and read the thing and put my seal of approval on it. I get the distinct feeling that they author of the book is lobbying off stage. I can't be sure but it feels like it.

Now, my knowledge and research only go so far but I've put decades into reading the previously available literature and have a considerable library that goes back a long way in time. Those who have accomplished this are few and far between and are not the sort to publicize it and couch all they say in some pretty opaque and convoluted ways. It's like the operation of the sun and they're all the same thing. It is accomplished in us through the agency of the angel who is commissioned for this task and nothing is done by the person in whom it is being accomplished except for an aware stillness and unshakeable poise.

Visible said...

Okay, I've read enough of the directions to make me think this is not happening. I could be wrong but I think... well, never mind what I think. It makes me wonder about Paracelsus lifting the silver chaffing dish to show a turd when he announced that he was going to display the first matter. Is it shit or piss? I suppose that is question people may ponder at their leisure. I'm wondering what they did in the old days for digital scales. I'm also a tad perplexed about it taking up to a year. I guess it could be true but I'm approaching the whole thing from another avenue. Good luck to those of you embarking on this... quest?

Anonymous said...

Michael Wolsey Produced key coverage on COINTELPRO techniques and the 9/11 community.


Anonymous said...

"Hey! I hope it wasn't my comment that distressed you."

No-no! :)

I thought we had a huckster in the house, and then realized that isn't the case.

So an apology was in order.

Aunt Franny said...

Thanks, Les, for your comments about the Stone...and I'm sorry my comment has derailed this thread, sort of, although the intent fits right in with Fulford's claimed intents, whether they be disinfo or not. And thanks, Anonymous, for your apology re my apology. All's well.

There are many alchemical websites and people saying they know how to make the Stone. I'm not lobbying for The Book of Aquarius. I simply like his stated intent: make the Stone and give it away for free to help correct the imbalance on this planet. If it can be done, why not do it? Supposedly the Stone will reappear in the world in this dark age. Maybe so.

Too many of our BILLIONS who desire peace and justice have only struggle, sickness and starvation. That sure looks to me like an imbalance that only exists for artificial reasons. I'm not in a position to do something meaningful about this behind the scenes but it sure would be a hoot to find a way to undercut some of the nonsense in this world and pull an end-run on those guys controlling everything.

If I'm going to live through the next 18 months anyway and the world is going to hell in a handbasket, I don't think it hurts to have this cooking on the side just in case it will work. It's my time and my energy. I can choose where to put it. This is at least positive in intent.

Anonymous said...


Anonymous said...

Why in the name of all that is logical would you be smoking American Spirit? It's R.J. Reynolds Co.! Smoke something European fer pete's sake!!

Other than that, being wrong is no big deal dude. Here in the US, we have an entire CON-gress and Executive branch which have elevated being wrong to an artform.


Visible said...

A.S. makes organic smoke and anyway, trying to avoid brushups against corporate products and the world in general is too much for me to concern myself with at the moment. I think this is one concession I don't have to worry about causing me distress.

Gregory F. Fegel said...

Regarding the accusation of Jim Fetzer as being a "disinfo agent." I read the link that Anonymous posted and also another link that it led to.

I have always thought that Judy Woods' Particle Beam theory did not fit the evidence, as per Occam's Razor. It looks to me like the takedown of WTC 1, 2, and 7 were relatively conventional controlled demolitions without a need for exotic weaponry to explain it. When I spoke with Fetzer 0n Sept 9 2011, I said so. Fetzer told me that he had questioned and criticised one of Judy Woods' claims, after which she has snubbed him. So they had a falling out over one of her claims and her unwillingness to discuss criticism of her claims.

I agree that with Judy Wood, Fetzer was promoting an exravagant and highly unlikely theory. I've noticed that people who host radio shows (as does Fetzer) often tolerate, entertain, or promote theorists with extravagant claims. I suspect that the radio hosts don't want to drive business away, so they become over-generous about tolerating people with extravagant theories.

Bear in mind, however, that according to the US government and the mainstream media, ALL 9/11 Truthers are promoting an impossible theory.

We need not, and should not, assume that everyone who "barks up the wrong tree" with an impossible pet theory is an intentional Disinfo agent. The presentation of, and the dismissal of, impossible pet theories is a part of the investigative process.

The rapid development of technology, plus the known history of US government secrecy and lies, has created a popular mythos of advanced technology and exotic weaponry allegedly possessed by the US government. Many well-intentioned but fantasy-prone people set Occam's Razor aside and theorize about advanced technology and weapons.

I think that it's wise for the Architects and Engineers group to keep a narrow focus on the anamolous collapse of the Twin Towers and WTC 7 because that is their professional speciality. However, I don't think that it's necessary or wise for all 9/11 Truthers to keep that same narrow focus. For example, I think that the bogus Flight 93 "crash site," with its absence of airliner debris, is as obvious a "smoking gun" as the anamolous collapse of the Twin Towers and WTC 7.

We need to debunk the US government's false narrative about 9/11, and we also need to debunk
impossible theories within the 9/11 Truth movement. However, we should be careful about demonizing well-intentioned and effective 9/11 Truth activists as "Disinfo agents" simply because they have mistakenly promoted an impossible theory. Labeling someone as a "Disinfo agent" is type of ad hominem attack. I think it's more effective to debunk an impossible theory than to accuse the theorist of being a "Disinfo agent."

The obvious purpose of the 9/11 attacks, which were perpetrated by the US government, was to provide an excuse for the US-led NATO aggressions in the bogus War on Terrorism. Jim Fetzer has stated and demonstrated amply to me that he is very much opposed to the US and NATO's Imperialist aggressions. By championing Judy Wood, Fetzer may have promoted a erroneous theory, but that does not prove that he is intentionally working for the US government against the 9/11 truth movemnent.

Anonymous said...

Thank you for your response Gregory F. Fegel.

"Labeling someone as a "Disinfo agent" is type of ad hominem attack."

No it isn't, so far he has exhibited classic COINTELPRO tactics, promoting "laughable" disinfo in the name of the 9/11 Truth movement with which 9/11 Truth were discredited, and attacking and discrediting genuine truth activists, not to mention disrupting the Truth movement.

That's classic COINTELPRO.

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it’s probably is a duck.

I reserve the term "disinfo agent" for disinfo agents. You are applying critical correction to this matter, meaning you are trying to justify behavior of his that don't fit. That's an attempt to alleviate your cognitive dissonance, because the brain cannot hold to conflicting ideas at once, so if you justify his behavior that don't fit, because you choose to believe he's honest and sincere, you turn your cognitive dissonance into cognitive consonance, and experience immediate relief.

We all do it all the time, because we would rather believe the best of everyone.

Another tell tale sign is his inability to ever apologize for anything. Has he apologized 'once' for all the damage he has caused?

Gregory F. Fegel said...

To Anonymous about Fetzer: I do see your point, and I am paying attention. I will look further into it.

Bear in mind that Jim Fetzer was saying that the JFK assassination was an inside job perpetrated by the US government long before 9/11 happened. Also, Fetzer is a 71 year-old tenured and retired Professor who can barely carry his briefcase three blocks. In conversation Fetzer totally "talks the talk" of a seasoned radical-Liberal anti-war, anti-Imperialist activist. If Fetzer is a spook, he's putting up a hell of an act, and he's working awfully hard in his retirement years.

I think that Particle Beam is an unbelievable theory for the destruction of the Towers, but currently a lot of rank-and-file, sincere 9/11 Truth activists think that Particle Beam is a viable theory. I get that you're saying that Judy Wood, followed by Jim Fetzer, are responsible for introducing that bogus theory and keeping it going.

Besides the fact that convincing them Particle Beam is bogus is like trying to pull teeth without an anaesthetic, the Particle Beamers constitute at least half of our local 9/11 group, without whom events, speakers, and pickets simply would not happen due to an insufficient number of organizers and participants. In recent years we have already suffered numerous schisms which have decreased our numbers, and we have learned to tolerate disagreements about "the who and the how" in order to keep the group going. At this point, if some of us split from the Particle Beamers, we might be reduced to less than five active members. This group is, and always has been, the only 9/11 group in Portland that does anything. And it's done a lot. The two active members of the local A&E recently joined our group because they didn't have enough people to do much of anything.

The Particle Beamers in our group say that they are agnostic about it. What their attitude shows me is that their scientific aptitude is not very high, or they would see the flaws in the Particle Beam theory. I've noticed a correlation between the Particle Beamers and amateur UFOlogists. These are people who want to believe in something Sci-Fi.

I could really use some succinct, irrefutable talking points against Particle Beam to present to these people. If you have any, please share them. I thought my own arguments against Particle Beam were pretty good, but I haven't gotten anywhere with them.

However, I'm guessing that the problem is not with the soundness of my arguments, but that I'm not a credentialed "scientist" or somewhat famous like Judy Wood.

neal said...

OK. Anyone that claims to have intact memories of underground stuff is to be pitied for the seeming lack of confusion. Anyone that claims to know about particle beam weapons and their applications, beyond what is in books and such, would be out of the loop.

You see, the way this works, is for enough to perceive the acts of man as acts of God. And the workings of the heavens as acts of Man. That's the classic lie, and reversal, and the compartment, no forest, just trees that don't add up.

As below, so above, and so on, and so forth. Just to get most to follow it to a nice delusion, one way or the other, instead of burning past that into the thing itself.

To be there, and to live to tell the tale, I don't know why that is starting to work again, but that is another lonely clue to new stuff, in between.

There are the facts, and there is the wandering. And that is a fact. I think miracles are just waiting to loosen up those facts, or cement them, depending on those heart's desires.

Anonymous said...

"we have learned to tolerate disagreements about "the who and the how"

The "who and the how" is the 'only' viable avenue to follow, the 'only' avenue that will lead somewhere. The schisms and disruptions were orchestrated.

9/11 is not a numbers game anymore. Where the crowds are, is where the disinfo agents and attention seekers usually are. Be careful of those who get plenty of exposure and have access to mainstream media, like Fetzer.

As far as the technical and scientific aspects of 9/11 go, I consider these guys to be the best:

"I could really use some succinct, irrefutable talking points against Particle Beam to present to these people. If you have any, please share them. I thought my own arguments against Particle Beam were pretty good, but I haven't gotten anywhere with them."

I am not a scientist myself, so I suggest you ask truthaction to assist you. No-ones perfect, and truthaction certainly isn't perfect either, but they are at least sincere. They just want justice, and they have integrity.

Gregory F. Fegel said...

"The "who and the how" is the 'only' viable avenue to follow, the 'only' avenue that will lead somewhere. The schisms and disruptions were orchestrated."

Disagreements over the "who and the how" was actually the cause of some of the schisms. Who the perps were. Planes versus no planes.
The Zionist connection.

But perhaps the defection of those who can't stomach the ongoing debate serves a useful purpose. A small, dedicated group is more effective than a large dysfunctional group. Now we have a small core group that may disagree on certain topics but they still cooperate and work well together.

"Be careful of those who get plenty of exposure and have access to mainstream media, like Fetzer."

That's a laugh. Maybe thirty people max at his Portland talk, most of them from our group and our friends. The famous Fetzer.

@neal: I'm not denying the existence of the US government's Particle Beam weapons research, but I just don't see Particle Beams in use on 9/11 at the WTC. It looked like a relatively conventional controlled demolition to me.

Probably done by Controlled Dem of Maryland. They are the world's leading experts on such demolitions. Perhaps they had some guys with military experience working with them on the WTC job. But guys with military experience working with Controlled Dem of Maryland would be part of Controlled Dem's normal business profile, right?



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