Thursday, March 10, 2011

A Legendary Shit-Smeared Clown from Long Island

Dog Poet Transmitting.......

‘May your noses always be cold and wet’.

My thinking is that Mossad has got some kind of video-tape of Peter King doing something to someone underage and probably male; because he’s a republican. They have a whole division of garden slugs that crawl around looking for dog shit in the grass and it’s not hard to find it because they put it there and then they asked someone like Peter King to walk from Point A to Point B, so that he would step in it. If you are intellectually challenged; like Peter King, they might walk you through a cow pasture instead or a mine field, that’s been converted into a cow pasture, which not only cuts down on processing costs but also renders it kosher as well.

The reason that Peter King is holding these hearings is the same reason that Guantanamo is all over the news and that is to obfuscate the information that is revealed in places like this, in order to counteract against the information revealed in places like this. What you get is a bunch of nonsense about Muslim terror percentages and for that you need to send in SWAT teams of TSA agents to hand rape people in Thobes and Hijabs, or anything really. You get to hear the name, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, over and over and over and over again, juxtaposed with 9/11, which he had nothing to do with because 9/11 was done by Neo-Pharisees and corrupt members of the American and Crown Colony fascistos.

You can see what Kalid went through, briefly described by a division of Zio-Ogre International, which more or less convinced Kalid that he should confess to masterminding 9/11 as well as both the Lincoln and Kennedy assassinations.

The horror of the times is that, as twisted and perverted as Peter King is, he’s not an exception. He’s got all kinds of associates working on all kinds of fronts to bring the United States and the world into a state of suspended anticipation called, “Bend over and Wait”. Consonant with profaning the Muslims and torturing Kalid, they continue to find ingenious ways to screw the people on behalf of the bankers. The simple solution is to take away all of the money stolen by the bankers, corporations and politicians and redistribute it back into the system, while annotating existing laws and making new ones that require, insist and demand that these hideous cabals of anti-life forms, be fairly taxed and rigorously monitored in their every act, followed by the trial and imprisonment, or forced exile, of all the former major players. The difficulty in that is that the ones profiting, are the ones making the laws that determine what is legal and what is not.

The main and persistent enemy of the Muslim world is Israel and their international collection of Zio-Ogres and Neo-Pharisees around the globe. This is why they set 9/11 in motion in the first place and we are long past the place where we need any following proof. Because of The Apocalypse, people are waking up a little more every day and that is going to increase in force incrementally as we go. This is why the ‘general’ attention has to be constantly re-focused, via misdirection upon what did not happen, as if it did. Therefore, the Peter King Witch Hunt and Traveling Bad Medicine Show has to go on the road. Guantanamo has to get the same name recognition as Auschwitz, with the understanding that those housed at the former were/are responsible for the latter. No words on whether Guantanamo has an inmate swimming pool like Auschwitz but, then again, conditions are much worse at Guantanamo, so maybe not.

Warlords and other beautiful human beings who do the ‘fuck you fandango’ with the centipedes in the Department of Defense, are on record saying they simply kidnapped the people presently in Guantanamo, off the street and sold them for 25 million dollars or so to the people who put them in Guantanamo. I don’t know why they don’t turn it into a petting zoo and try to get some of that money back. Wait a minute. This is tailor made for reality TV. They could make a fortune and I don’t see where the mainstream population is going to raise too many objections, unless it concerns the quality of the torments being portioned out.

I don’t have any more room in Profiles in Evil, for people like Peter King or the Wisconsin republicans. They’re just going to have to be showcased somewhere else, like here. There are plenty of basic similarities between these characters and what you often find on a Petri dish.

The Wisconsin republicans are bound and determined to make up all of the banker thefts and shortfalls out of the pockets of the American working people and they will squeeze them until blood leaks from the stone. You can see the setup, if you are watching the movie version like I am. You can see that the director is giving the villains ample time to demonstrate the composition of their character, before they come before the judgment throne. That’s what all of this is about and those few of you with the faith to realize it know that there is nothing to worry about unless you are in the cast of thousands that move in the direction opposite to the cracking whip. ♫head ‘em up, move ‘em out... rawhide ♫!!!

It is a living testimony of how deeply controlled the 3 branches of government are by the Neo-Pharisee Banking and Crime Syndicate; also known as the nation of Israel. There is one point and purpose to this and that is to rain down fire upon the heads of Muslims, wherever they may be. In general, the Muslim population is probably the most honest and law abiding group of people on the planet, due to the dictates of their holy book, which, unlike the Judeo-Christian ‘worked’ ethic, they are not.

What this tells me is that the Muslims are in line for some massive spiritual perks in coming times. It often amuses me when writers from the alternative media, who know who did 9/11 and who know- or should know- what history tells us, so often make the comment, “the Jews should know better after having been persecuted and suffering so much for so long”. I’m thinking they might want to look into the basic causes of why any of this suffering came about and maybe they might realize why they don’t know better. It’s how they do business. Here’s a good place to start. Here’s another interesting scenario and you get pages of it. I could start adding in details here and wind up doing very little else for the rest of the day, or longer.

That’s who Peter King is working for. That’s who so many of these turncoats and footpads in suits are working for. That is why Muslims are the chosen target. There is less terrorism, even by extreme Muslims, than there is ordinary crime by everyone else. There’s no problem with terrorism and there is no Al Qaeda and still that dancing Halloween skeleton is in more windows than there are bogus security firm stickers. There’s some irony. Of course, a sticker is better than no sticker, in lieu of an expensive security system but who, pray tell who, is going to protect you from your own ignorance? Who is going to protect you from the fallout of your own shortcomings? Who is going to protect you from what happens when you accept lies in place of the truth? Who is going to protect you from the red highlights of madness in the eyes of your neighbors, who are just like you? Who is going to protect you from the karmic reflex to your support for what directly results in charred corpses of women and children half a world away? Who is going to look out for you when your whole focus is looking out for yourself and doing it badly?

Try to imagine what must be going on in the mind of someone like Peter King. He has to know that he’s a demagogue. He has to know that he’s a lying sack of shit, who is stirring up a shitstorm that’s going to sail away with him in the winds. That must be an impressive video that the Zio-Ogres have of our boy Peter. He must sit up late at night watching it; of course he got a complimentary copy, and pounding back the scotch and weeping at the unfairness of life, without ever tumbling to the effect of his own actions.

What if he actually believes what he’s saying and attempting to carry out? That’s not possible. It is no more possible than that Janet, 'the perv’ Napolitano believes what she is engaged in is necessary and correct. No one can be that stupid and show up for work at the same time. My friends, it’s soon going to “shake your windows and rattle your doors, for the times they are a changing”.

End Transmission.......

Patrick Willis REALLY nails it this time!


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'Prevail' is track no. 6 of 11 on Visible's 2001 album 'God in Country'
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Anaughty Mouser said...

Dog Poet,

I laughed and I cried.

Your post is so fuckin' spot on that I'm going to toast you in absentia right now.


Humbly yours, Mouser

Frog said...

Yeah, I have wondered what kind of strings are being pulled to get King to dance like he does.
He used to be pro-Muslim some years ago. His picture hung in a mosque as a protector of the people.
Now, now he is a attack dog off his leash.
I wonder, is it an incriminating video? A male prostitute willing to testify? Or maybe his grandchildren will get the baby Lindbergh treatment if he does not comply.
It's sad to see either way. A man being destroyed through his own actions. A soul withering away.
At times I've considered running for office, doing my part. Then I look again and see the meat grinder for what it is. And turn away. Leave it for the Kings, Liebermans, the Frankens, the Kennedys.

anonymous said...


You are under major Gary-personae attacks.

Roughly half of everyone commenting here is indirectly working for hasbara.

No shit.

Zoner said...

This is a timely pep-talk for me, as I have been summoned to "The Office" to meet with a Dean, a Principal, teachers, and administrators who are responsible for curriculum to discuss an issue I have with the Social Studies unit that my 8th grader is currently working through. This meeting was prompted by an email I sent questioning the method they are employing to "educate" the kids about the Israeli - Palestinian conflict. See if anyone else catches the method here.

So, to present the Israeli perspective, the kids will be viewing a film entitled "The Search for Solid Ground - The Intifada Through Israeli Eyes". Here is a rundown from IMDB;

"Filmed over the summer of 1989, A Search for Solid Ground shows how Israelis viewed the first Palestinian Intifda. It is told from the point of view of Israeli residents, government officials and opponents, soldiers and students."

It appears this fim was edited by the ADL and is associated with a certain shit-weasel by the name of Daniel Pipes, so we can guess what the message here will be.

Here is where I got a bit confused (and a bit furious).

The Palestinian perspective is to be put forth in a video entitled "Searching for the Roots of 9/11". This is a work that features that famous Palestinian supporter Thomas Friedman.
Again, IMDB says;

“Searching for the Roots of 9/11”, which begins with an introduction by Friedman, analyzes Arab sentiment towards Americans and seeks to explain the factors that contributed and ultimately caused the terrorist attack on September 11th 2001 in an effort to help Americans better understand the tragedy and prevent similar events from occurring in the future. He feels that civilization cannot truly be safe until we understand the roots of 9/11, because if we don’t fix the problems within civilization ("a war between the good guys and the bad guys"), we are going to continue to have a war between civilizations. At a time of war, he is searching for the answers to two fundamental questions: (1) what motivated the 19 young men to board planes to kill 3,000 of our American brothers and sisters, and (2) why did so many of their fellow Arabs applaud their actions?"

A clear attempt to associate the Palestinians with 9/11 and terrorism is shown here. Pure propaganda (duh) and I'm calling them on it. I know, it's the American Public Education system at work here, and it has been suggested that I simply remove my kids from the machine, but I also think it is vitally important to teach my kids how to think critically and to recognize when the shit is being fed to them while being told it is ice cream or the "truth". I can see the filters at work, so there is cause for hope. If nothing else, I hope to impart critical thinking skills upon my kids so they can deflect this crap for the rest of their days.

All of us are bombarded by BS all day, every day. As is evidenced by the comments on your blogs, few really know fully what the hell is "true", and it seems everyone has dirt on everyone else and anyone who holds a position is going to have detractors and critics. So it goes I guess. Trust but verify is whole lot of work, but it sure beats the alternative. I can just see the haters watching those hearings and getting all lathered up about the "Muslim Menace". I pity those mindless drones.

Thank you for the work you do and for helping open my eyes, LV. Maybe I should just direct the distinguished panel to Smoking Mirrors so they can get a different perspective (chuckle). That could promp a whole different kind of meeting I suspect.

My eyes are wide open.

Time to go sharpen my sword.


siamsam said...

I read somewhere recently that Iran was the most hated country on the planet. They obviously surveyed the same people polled here.......

WASHINGTON -- Rep. Peter King has had around-the-clock security as he pushes forward with a hearing Thursday on the radicalization of Muslims in America, but a new Gallup poll shows a majority of Americans support King's plans.


Visible said...

You're a prince among men, Zoner.

siamsam said...

anon - mate,

so how do you work that one out?

Anonymous said...

Here's a quick prespective from a Long Islander. There's been mass protests against this clown with a very small rival protest (though the MSM tried to make them look equal in size). Also, King has increased security because of threats, so give the Long Islanders credit. A whole lot of us are not falling for it.

Neko Kinoshita said...

"May the pads of your feet be as cool as the wind, by the stream where you sleep …and your dreams be filled with rabbits”.

Strapped in, and ready.
Still working on the garden, but that is a task that never ends.

"O, while you live, tell truth and shame the devil!" - Bill.
(Henry IV)


Frog said...

"Judeo-Christian" what a terrible word and concept. I flinch at it's use.
Judeo-Christian. Leviticus-"Love your neighbor as yourself". The Law-Mercy. The Talmud-the New Testament. The precepts of the two religions are different. Judeo-Christian is a truly meaningless term that offers an assumption to the reader. Custom made for ignorant goyim who presumably imagine kinship with the ones that deceive, control, enslave them. Like talking about farmer-cattle issues I think.
What an indictment of the ignorance and corruption of Christianity that they use and allow this term to be used. To me it's a litmus test for Christians. Those that use the term have no clue of the teachings of either faith.
The term conjures up a special kinship, a sharing of moral history between me and Abe Foxman and Bernie Madoff. Yeah, we all share the same ethics and standards Raum and I.
I suppose you could argue that the two faiths are equally corrupt in their modern expressions. Judeo-Christian corruption makes sense. Pope Benedict (who has not been a practicing Christian for a long time if ever) and Shmuel Eliyahu. Murdoch and Foxman. I can buy that.
Judeo-Christian indeed.

Neko Kinoshita said...

Hang in there Zoner,

Kitten is only in the fifth grade, and I have at least three run-ins with the school every year. Social Studies and Science mostly, now math. (English is now tracking on the same subjects as SS so we're causing trouble there now too.)

My thoughts and prayers are with you.

Visible said...

Good one Frog! That's exactly why I put it in there.

6:46 Yes, I'm aware of that and kudos to you fine people there. King has stirred up a nest of poisonous reactions upon his ass and well deserved they are.

It doesn't matter what the S&MSM says anymore, fewer and fewer people are buying it.

Frog said...

Go and do it! My heart is with you.
Understand something though. You are meeting with all these people so that a consensus can be built against you. A paper trail established that discredits you. I've been there, wound up opening my own business after everything was said and done. I went around, talked to people earnestly. Trusted. In the end, everyone I talked to signed the paper that said I was nuts, unstable, potentially dangerous. I got out of the machine just before it ground me under. I'm sure the paperwork to formally censure me was in a envelope on someones desk, first class certified stamps on it.
Take care and be watchful. You do a great and dangerous thing.

Liz said...

Toasting with you, Mouser. Here's to your honest, heartfelt, amazing, no shit truth Les.
Love to all

Boulderdash said...

The video-taping of individuals by secret services popped up in the news this week. It seems the Egyptians made their way into secret police headquarters and found, what do you know, sex-videos of actors and politicians. Hopefully this story will get some traction and wake some more people up.

Here's the link:!5778840/clandestine-sex-videos-stolen-from-egyptian-secret-police-hqs-mountains-of-documents-shredded

Anonymous said...

Frog, 6:59 AM
Reading your comments here even I can see where you might be considered 'nuts, unstable, potentially dangerous'.
Keep up the good work.

Zoner, 6:35 AM
Good luck with being called to the Principals Office mate. I'll tell you now you'll get stonewalled – or as I was told 'we'll agree to disagree' – dismissed.
All you can do with that is give your kids good advise, show them the truth as you see it and trust in your relationship with them by backing them up 100%.

Nice article Les; some good links.


Zoner said...

Thank you All for your support.


Anonymous said...

Shouldn't he be calling for hearings on RADICAL JUDAISM in Palestine instead?


Anonymous said...

This shit smeared clown article is the first such piece that's made me take real notice for a good while. It's awesome in it's power. Well done guys well done. ian..

M. Rocknest said...

@anon6:31AM -- Just don't see the hasbara trolls here that you do. 50 percent? Nah, don't think so. Anyway I prefer to trust more. Lots of good people coming here. If not, Les catches their bad vibes and doesn't post their comments (I think) or posts them only for demonstration purposes.

Good luck with that, Zoner! As the lyrics go ...

You've got to be taught
To hate and fear
You've got to be taught
From year to year
It's got to be drummed
In your dear little ear
You've got to be carefully taught

You've got to be taught
To be afraid
Of people whose eyes
Are oddly made
And people whose skin
Is a different shade
You've got to be carefully taught

You've got to be taught
Before it's too late
Before you are 6 or 7 or 8
To hate all the people
your relatives hate
You've got to be carefully taught

Mad Farmers Liberation Front said...

G'day All,

The interesting thing about money is, it's a form of a curse, a perpetual curse. What we have to do is reverse the curse and let them reap what they've sown.

I URGE people to have a listen to Frank O'Collins of Ucadia and

This gentleman from Australia has his finger on the pulse and is convinced we can bring the system down from within by consuming it with their own canon law.

Can download audio here:

I'd never heard of Frank until yesterday and I haven't had a chance to read through all of it yet, but the Positive Law Canons look and sound amazing.

Let's get these dogs and release our own slavery bonds!!

Mad Farmers Liberation Front said...

Les why can't i sign in BEFORE i post a comment? This is very annoying aye.

I won't receive email updates now i guess (after having just posted a comment about Frank O'Collins and Money

Anonymous said...

Given these are hard times, but for some places - a bit east of the perpetual attention grabby whiny middle east:

A little karmic history lesson, it felt wrong when the shoe was on the other foot, say 7-12 century Europe and India (the subcontinent, not the choppy bits)

A man of courage Francois Gautier:

Read especially about the treatment of Sikh Gurus at the hands of Radical Islam.

A man of courage: Stephen Knapp

A man of courage: Pandit Vamdev Shastri (Dr. David Frawley) -
Author of - In Search for the Cradle of Civilization.


Oh and in case you were wondering - Hindu Kush stands for Hindu Anguish (Kush in Persian) refering to the death marches by Islamofascists as they paraded peaceful priests and related Hindus to death camps, incarceration or conversion at the point of the sword.

Like Les said, tis all under control.


Visible said...

For the last several hours, or more, people haven't been able to post, much less sign in. The trolls are on the inside around here. We seldom get trolls. They amount to about 1% of the posts, honestly. Rarely do I not post someone and half that time it is to spare them embarrassment, though I doubt they see it that way.

When you can't post you have to email me your comments. I have said this repeatedly. It does no good to complain if you don't include your comments with the email.

Anonymous said...

ROFL @ "legendary shit-smeared clown."

If there's a bigger douche in the U.S. House of Likud, I don't know who it is.

Anonymous said...
©1997 by David G. Guyatt*

based on interview of former “black op specialist”


“Readers are warned that what follows is not at all pleasant.”

“Tatum says … : "Not only does it (video) reveal his homosexuality, but it also reveals his bestiality and satanic worship rituals." As frame after frame flicked by, X reportedly wept, forced to watch himself kill his homosexual "lover" and then engage in the most grisly cannibalistic ritual imaginable. Neutralized, Mr. X became a leading member of the Nicaraguan government a few short weeks later.”

“He (Tatum) believes Pegasus was established during the Eisenhower years as a secret group inside the CIA to spy on that agency on behalf of the President. At some point … Pegasus went AWOL from direct US Government control and came under the direction of an international Board of Directors which Tatum alleges now includes George Bush and Henry Kissinger.”


Anonymous said...


Anonymous said...

Charlie Sheen knows the truth about 9/11, that israel and US secret service did it.
His mom is jewish but he's telling the truth anyway.
He is a liabilty to TPTB.
If he gets anymore support in his korner, TPTB will suicide him.

Visible said...

There's a new Profiles in Evil up-

The David Rockefeller, Ball and Chain, Armageddon Club.

Astraea said...

It's not Judeo-Christian; it's Islamo-Christo-Judaism because Islam and Christianity are Jewish cults, Judaism for Gentiles written by Jews of Jews For Gentiles. Google A Real Case for Anti-Semitism by Marcus Eli Ravage. Read The Woman's Encyclopedia of Myths and Secrets by Barbara G. Walker to learn religious truth for Gentiles.

Visible said...

The phrase, which has been around for many many decades is 'judeo-christian work ethic' which I was making a play on words with. I hope that clears it up.

Astraea said...

Sorry A Real Case Against the Jews by Marcus Eli Ravage

Anonymous said...

Pete King, the scourge of terrorism! Unless they're irish, then they're freedom fighters.


Anonymous said...

8.9 quake off Japan. We have been talking about Edgar Cayce forever it seems. Japan is supposed to be the first to go under the ocean. It may be beginning. Of course it is kind of common sense as Japan sits near a place where several tectonic plates meet.

Visible said...

Bholanath says this blog is down where he is.

bholanath said...

It's back up. That was strange. Just a blank page for about 10 minutes. Tried refreshing, re-typing, linking from other sites, etc...nothing. At same time, all other sites worked.

Anonymous said...

you are spot on just to bad the rest of the dumb ass americans cant figure this out

Visible said...

The sites are being attacked by the Zio-Ogres, just so you know; people can't comment; people can't even see the blogs. I'll take that as a compliment.

est said...


i can comment
and i will

i tried to suppress
my gag reflex

for a moment
to watch hilary

a hearing
on c-span

it was obvious
the same script

has been handed
to these traitors

the fools can't even
learn their lines

as they keep referring
to their notes

singing the same song
tragically out of key

and we all know
who wrote it for them

dogismyth said...

That's all well and fine. But I think finding the truth is a remarkably difficult job, especially on those subject which you have no direct experience or intervention.

I guess my question is "why bother"? Who cares? Its like a never ending game of ping pong because you and your thoughts are bounced around in time and space until you are just more confused at the end.

Let's be honest. the only truths you and I know are the truths that we live. The rest of this truth seeking is just a waste of time. And if you are lucky and happen to figure out the what? There is nothing you can do with it besides feeling proud that you found the truth. Big deal!

I can only imagine our creator watching us. We are like mice in a maze by choice. We process useless information, study it, analzye it, reason it...and still in the end, we really don't know for sure.

Who cares what they say? Most of it is lies, and why spend your life trying to uncover their lies.

I say ignore them all. Ignore their rules. Ignore paying taxes. Ignore their system. What more can you do? Be honest, help one another, do no harm to others and live a good life. To hell with their system....don't fight or attempt to understand it...JUST LEAVE IT.

Jo said...

Wow-Les...this post was sharp! I love that you include links. So I spent an hour watching that film about Jews and slavery--I had no idea. Thank you. I had briefly read of the connection before but this piece was powerful and factual which makes it a treasure for truth seekers!!
Zoner--I can totally relate! Just this week I went to bat for my son who is in 5th grade public ed. He happens to be in what I call the step child school because it is the low man on the totem pole as far as economics and minority enrollment. We're "Caucasian" not that it matters really in my philosophy but in reality they get shafted; my son has been a straight A honor student for 3 years. They tried to cut the writing program to help with behavior management and I made a stink about it. Because I didn't have much confidence in their Winnie the Pooh principal, I went to the Superintendent of the school district. Within one hour of my call to complain, the principal called; very concerned to appease me, and subsequently the writing program was reinstated...every other day. I spoke to the writing teacher who is a real gem and she said they teach to the lowest common denominator for testing so the brighter kids are left on their own. I complained that they send home bullshit busy work that is insulting!!! For example: Find a word that means to suggest something. The answer: suggestion.
What the Fuck??? I wish I could home school but that is not an option. Bless you for taking a stand. I have a reputation for being a pain in the ass parent and if that means I give a shit then I'm all over it!!!

As far as Peter King...I am embarrassed to say I don't know who he is. I gave up TV a few years ago and try not to get sucked into the drama of politics, religion, or other swampy dogma.
I mostly try to heal myself and evolve beyond my small box of familial, cultural, societal indoctrination. It ain't easy.
But this place is a continual source of inspiration, reflection and consideration as I trudge thru the mire of Maya on this plane of reality and dimension of delusion and illusion.

Thanks always to Les Visible who spearheads the awakening in these here parts.

Once again I resort to music because it is the universal language that binds us all....

Carry On my brethren and Sistren, we have our work to do here. Just remember to rejoice! And Carry On....It is so much more productive to be a light worker than a whiner!

When all else fails remember to dance, sing and love each other and pray for our friends in Japan:

Sorry for the intro advert....

Peace&Love~Aho Mitakuye Oyasin~All My Relations


JoRainbowSpider said...

Oh and here's one more to get you outta your chair, away from your computer groove for just a few minutes......

Lovin y'all in these interesting times.....

JJ Fumbduck said...


I believe that I said that "all is as it should be"-keep the faith brother. The Mayan, at least Carl Calleman's interpretation of, has us in the last step of the pyramid, Bolon Yokte KU, the ninth wave starting as of 3/9/2011 to last until 10/28/2011. Think the Equake in Japan was big just wait. Evil doers and servers of the dark time grows scant. Sit back, spark a fatty and know that you are one with all there is.

Visible said...


Those are the very points I've suggested (the end of your comment) ad infinitum.

I do suggest however that one can't judge measure or weigh the truth until they actually have uncovered the 'real' item, or project what knowing and unknowing mean until a specific light falls on both categories.

People like coming here until they don't. You might as well say, "Why did God make so many flowers and birds and what not"? We don't need that many. Why are there so many people? Why this and why that? The thing is that that is how it is and I'm not unhappy with it. I don't particularly like being here. It's not my scene. I have to make the best of it.

No one is (usually) forced to read books, listen to music or anything else but these things are here for the people who do.

Visible said...

There is a new Smoking Mirrors up and we are about to hit a million visitors here-

The Dark Side of the Devic Realm Rising.

mark in texas said...

interesting post as usual, but on the Wisconsin situation, the state workers who are squealing like stuck pigs were originally given their special status by the government as part of divide and conquer, and lived it up and lorded over their fellow citizens. Now the system is turning on them as part of divide and conquer as most of the citizenry is fed up with them. So whatever the true motivations of the Wis. Republicans this is just desserts for the unionized government workers, who did they unionize against/ Us. They never should have been allowed to unionize in the first place.

Visible said...

That is truly an unbelievable perspective, given the reasons for unions forming in the first place and the reasons for present fiscal extremity.

Frog said...

Like Mark, I don't believe that government workers should be allowed to unionize. Everyone else, yes. Not them.
I just don't see how things can work out when 1)The union gives money to elect a politician and 2)Politician then negotiates with said union for wages and perks. Given that the money being bargained with does not belong to the politician but to the taxpayer.
Corruption is a guarantee. Unsustainable wages and pensions are also guaranteed. GM and Chrysler found out, the governments are finding out too.
I don't see eye to eye with either side in Wisconsin. Just another social contract broken, many more to come. It's not going to end well in this country as far as I can tell.
I could see allowing public servants to unionize if they agreed to forgo their ability to vote for or give money to the politicians that bargain with them for their wages. That might work.
I would love to see a panel, elected directly by the people, that would be made up of accountants and decide what the wages of the politicians should be. Right now, Congress votes it's own wages and raises. More corruption.
Les, I do understand the need for unions. It is undeniable. Just not for public servants, not with the current arrangement. It can't function. You choose to work for the government, you lose the ability to unionize. You want change? Get together with your friends and vote the bums out.
My two cents.

Visible said...

that has nothing to do with why they are striking. they are striking because of the economic distress caused by the banking industry and wall street. Either you support the bankers or the people. The rest of the details at this time are moot.

Frog said...

I support people Les, just not when they demand more from the government trough though.
Where do these people think their pensions and benefits come from anyhow? When the taxes run out, there is only borrowing from the federal government and the federal reserve.
Through their actions, they give power to the federal reserve and drag us all down.
Don't you see my point that if they win, the only way to satisfy them is to get more script from the Federal Reserve? More heroin for the addict.
The only way to destroy the bankers is to get rid of our debt. We won't get that by forcing the governments to print more worthless fiat script.
Not in Wisconsin, not in Ireland, Not in Greece. The addict has to give up his addiction to debt.
Anyhow, that's what I see in a nutshell, I won't post on this topic again.

mark in texas said...

I am not disagreeing about the meta-cause of the financial/economic problems, but it truly is a Gordian Knot. One of the reasons America had such prosperity post WW2 was the destruction of all foreign competition; unions, big business and government were then able to raise the prices on all things. Once Europe, Asia, China, India etc. were either rebuilt or reintegrated the stage was set for the trap door to be pulled on US prosperity. Since all unions are owned by the same Wall Street Axis they are just eating their own. I recently was looking to start a small fitness club in Chicago and the real estate taxes are enormous which mostly go to unionized teachers, police, fire etc., the red tape could delay the business opening for who knows how long and other myriad obstacles to just trying to make an honest living. Aren't these unionized government employees the tools of implementation of all the dreadful policies? They might not be the brains but they are the willing vessels. This might be a terrible thing that is happening but the deal with the Devil was done a long time ago, the change you speak eloquently of, this must be a part of it.

Visible said...

I honestly couldn't make head or tails of that so, I'm going to leave it as I found it (grin.

I think I'll go do some lucid dreaming about Ludlow, see if I can't get some perspective.

The conditions that caused the drive for unions existed before the unions and necessitated the unions, just like the Magna Carta was brought about by atrocious inequities. Whether the manner in which unions grew involved corruption is unimportant next to the conditions that brought them about and they are trying to return to the same right now.

Anonymous said...

The average bears out of work for months or even years, losing their homes, cars, property, etc. and having scant opportunities now or in the near future, have a hard time exerting themselves for the cause of those making an average of 50K a year with another 30K-40K in benefits.
They see these people as very fortunate indeed.
If ever there was a case of "it's all relative" this is it.

These teachers are most certainly not the average bears these days.
The average bears (the people) are poor and broke, getting poorer and broker.

Their lack of support is apparent and to be expected.

They correctly don't believe for one second the teacher's unions would be risking hide and home for them if the shoe was on the other foot.

I'm not saying this is the right way or even right at all. I'm just saying that's the way it is and it is understandable and predictable.

Unfortunately it's predictable to both sides.

bholanath said...

Les -
Ludlow? Ya mean Colorado? That wonderful 'Sand Creek State'?
Sums it up completely. Nuf said.

Mark in texas said...

I guess my main point is that those that try to use the force of government for gain, whoever they may be may at some point suffer great loss. Who always lobbies for higher taxes, bigger government, more spending, it is government unions. Ludlow was terrible, awful but don't unions also serve elite interests, especially public sector unions?

Mark in texas said...

I guess my main point is that those that try to use the force of government for gain, whoever they may be may at some point suffer great loss. Who always lobbies for higher taxes, bigger government, more spending, it is government unions. Ludlow was terrible, awful but don't unions also serve elite interests, especially public sector unions?

Anonymous said...

I've checked out the six volumes of Churchill's Second World War - not a single mention of Nazi 'gas chambers,' a 'genocide' of the Jews, or of 'six million' Jewish victims of the war.

Eisenhower's Crusade in Europe is a book of 559 pages; Churchill's Second World War totals 4,448 pages; and De Gaulle's three-volume Mémoires de guerre is 2,054 pages.

In this mass of writing, which altogether totals 7,061 pages (not including the introductory parts), published from 1948 to 1959, one will find no mention either of Nazi 'gas chambers,' a 'genocide' of the Jews, or of 'six million' Jewish victims of the war.

Anonymous said...

Elie Wiesel vs Encyclopaedia Britannica

Wiesel has been one of the most prominent spokesmen for the very sizable group of people known as Holocaust survivors. [According to Norman Finkelstein of the City University of New York in his book The Holocaust Industry published in the year 2000, ‘The Israeli Prime Minister’s office recently put the number of "living Holocaust survivors" at nearly a million’ (p.83)]. Wiesel has chaired the US Holocaust Memorial Council and has been the recipient of a Congressional Gold Medal and Nobel Peace Prize..

Time Magazine, March 18 1985:

‘How had he survived two of the most notorious killing fields [Auschwitz and Buchenwald] of the century? "I will never know" Wiesel says. "I was always weak. I never ate. The slightest wind would turn me over. In Buchenwald they sent 10,000 to their deaths every day. I was always in the last hundred near the gate. They stopped. Why?"

Compare this with Encyclopaedia Britannica (1993), under ‘Buchenwald’:

"In World War II it held about 20,000 prisoners.. Although there were no gas chambers, hundreds perished monthly through disease, malnutrition, exhaustion, beatings and executions."

Anonymous said...

Dirty Little Secrets - the hidden, awkward origins of World War 2:

The unexpected views of four key diplomats who were close to events

• Joseph P. Kennedy, U.S. Ambassador to Britain during the years immediately preceding WW2 was the father of the famous American Kennedy dynasty. James Forrestal the first US Secretary of Defense (1947-1949) quotes him as saying "Chamberlain (the British Prime Minister) stated that America and the world Jews had forced England into the war". (The Forrestal Diaries ed. Millis, Cassell 1952 p129).

• Count Jerzy Potocki, the Polish Ambassador in Washington, in a report to the Polish Foreign Office in January 1939, is quoted approvingly by the highly respected British military historian Major-General JFC Fuller. Concerning public opinion in America he says "Above all, propaganda here is entirely in Jewish hands…when bearing public ignorance in mind, their propaganda is so effective that people have no real knowledge of the true state of affairs in Europe… It is interesting to observe that in this carefully thought-out campaign… no reference at all is made to Soviet Russia. If that country is mentioned, it is referred to in a friendly manner and people are given the impression that Soviet Russia is part of the democratic group of countries… Jewry was able not only to establish a dangerous centre in the New World for the dissemination of hatred and enmity, but it also succeeded in dividing the world into two warlike camps…President Roosevelt has been given the power.. to create huge reserves in armaments for a future war which the Jews are deliberately heading for." (Fuller, JFC: The Decisive Battles of the Western World vol 3 pp 372-374.)

• Hugh Wilson, the American Ambassador in Berlin until 1938, the year before the war broke out, found anti-Semitism in Germany ‘understandable’. This was because before the advent of the Nazis, "the stage, the press, medicine and law [were] crowded with Jews…among the few with money to splurge, a high proportion [were] Jews…the leaders of the Bolshevist movement in Russia, a movement desperately feared in Germany, were Jews. One could feel the spreading resentment and hatred." (Hugh Wilson: Diplomat between the Wars, Longmans 1941, quoted in Leonard Mosley, Lindbergh, Hodder 1976).

• Sir Nevile Henderson, British Ambassador in Berlin ‘said further that the hostile attitude in Great Britain was the work of Jews and enemies of the Nazis, which was what Hitler thought himself’ (Taylor, AJP: The Origins of the Second World War Penguin 1965, 1987 etc p 324).

etc etc etc etc



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